No More Warforging/Titanforging!

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21/10/2018 23:50Posted by Saraana
It doesn't really benefit them, though, while it is true that they get better gear out of it than they usually would

It really does, for example a mythic raider can go first mythic for getting +385 loot, then he goes heroic to have the same chance as the heroic player to get upgrades above 385

21/10/2018 23:51Posted by Fatburger
Its not about beeing "beneficial" but about invalidating any item that doesnt WF/TF. WF/TF turns a new drop into a disappointment as soon as you see it didnt proc, meaning you will have to drop the same fkn item another time to get your BIS with a 1/100 chance (chance made up).

There is no statisfaction anymore.


You really should be satisfied with all the gear you get because the upgrades are only there to make it easier for you the longer you need to progress to clear content
22/10/2018 00:01Posted by Fatburger
Things like Raider.io exist because gear doesnt mean !@#$ anymore.


And gear dnst mean !@#$ anymore because anyone can reach high ilvl by being lucky
i was world questing to gain some war resources, and as it so happened i did one that yielded some crappy gauntlets on ilvl 330(i think, the ones i have on now regularly rewarded from nazmir world quests).. and whaddya know, titan forged into 360! 30 ilvls above what it was and i thought this was great! i mean, +6 gear from a wq? awesome! and so ive done every world quest rewarding gear to get that again and caused me to do something i frankly think is utterly boring in hopes of getting another piece of awesome gear for no effort. every time now things doesnt warforge its a total letdown despite that i know the odds are incredibly low, but it keeps me doing the same boring !@#$ over and over.. this is nothing but a cheap trick to make people keep doing boring %^-* to get a quick fix as boring !@#$ is easy, which is why its boring. wow is nothing more than feeding an addiction in many cases and things like forged gear is part of that... rng makes people keep feeding themselves thr same crap over and over to finally hit the jackpot and feel lucky, and so the cycle begins anew... wow feeds gaming addicts as it is in its curent state, not providing entertainment. i dont care for this drug any more, its only destructive in every way possible, and forging is one of those reasons, same as azerite armor and excluding gear vendors.

unsubing.
22/10/2018 00:14Posted by Ájmage
A mythic item can titanforge up to 10 ilvl. An LFR item forge up to 55 ilvl higher than it's baseline.


Well, there has to be some kind of cap for items otherwise trinkets and weapons etc would become to powerful. Imagine someone that raid mythic and get +55 item level on a BiS item... no one would ever be able to compete with him for an entire patch

An LFR player, yes he will get unfair dps advantage in a content that doesn't matter to anyone than himself but he might not even have the skills to join a normal or heroic group. One item will not get an LFR player that far
I see the problems with this system but removing it entirely is a little over zealous.

Instead, changes to it would make it work better.

For example, Warforge is now +5 ilvls only and Titanforge is +10 only.

In respect of high end content, such as Mythic raiding, Mythic+ (+10 weekly chests), top rated PvP, titanforge should go to +20.
They only need to remove mythic forging so there is a solid ilvl cap, atm that would probably be 385, anything that forges from a lower ilvl will only aid anyone in getting towards this goal.
I love it
Warforged gear is dissatisfying to get. Gearing isn't even fun anymore. Getting gear after effort is way more fun instead of just sitting hoping some dice will land right. If I wanted to gamble I could play an online casino. Loved the old model when you got gear after effort felt way better.
21/10/2018 23:50Posted by Saraana
It doesn't really benefit them, though, while it is true that they get better gear out of it than they usually would, I've already stated that it is a negative to them in the sense of being an unreachable goal, these people strive for BiS gear, with Warforging and Titanforging in place (Including sockets and tertiary stats), they will never realistically get to that point.


That's because you are parrots who repeat the idiocy they listen to.

At least your theoretical BiS actually exists now. Back in the day your options were your set piece and 1 recolour dropping from whatever boss and there was no guarantee that at least 1 of them would have the secondary stats you want.

You could be using Crit/Haste after Hit and have only Crit/Spirit and Haste/Spirit available.

But keep on being good subscribers to whatever youtuber thinks that classic was unmatched in everything and creates negativity about everything because they behave like immature abusive partners who think they are entitled to the excitement of the first date 10 years into a relationship.
I mean if the only reason behind TF and WF removal is "because not skilled players get what they don't deserve" well, I'd say get over it.

I never really quite understood why the hate, but if this is the reason well...

1. If you don't want to rely on luck and randomness, there are raids. So you go, you get what you want and that's pretty much it, no luck factor, kthxbye

2. If it's about crap players having high ilvl, didn't you just get another method to keep them out of you way with raider.io?

3. Who cares? I means, to be honest it looks to me that you just want to rightfully have your "dishonest" advantage among others by being not more skillful, but plainly more powerful due to your items. Honestly, I'm really glad Blizzard is like removing little by little this, it's something I've never liked in mmorpgs honestly. You're already ultra skilled by yourself, you could probably do the same dungeon in less than half the time of a casual with the same equipment, isn't that enough? /shrug

Anyway, if removing this helps kids feel better, I don't really care, it's the same really
22/10/2018 00:14Posted by Ájmage
21/10/2018 23:45Posted by Shwosh
So much nag about this on the forums even though it benefits the players that are on the hardest content while being the most active


Help me understand this.

A mythic item can titanforge up to 10 ilvl. An LFR item forge up to 55 ilvl higher than it's baseline.

What am I missing?


You are missing the part that you only need item to drop for it to be 385, while you have to be extremely lucky for item to proc 55ilvls. :p

Also, chances are higher that item will WF/TF few levels than extreme levels.
noob's all you think about is gear /facepalm
rubberboots soon needed in here with all your moaning lmao
21/10/2018 23:10Posted by Fatburger
WF/TF is literally cancer.


Npc detected.
I'm fine with MY titanforged items. If YOU get some just scrap it.
Problem solved.
Another jealousy qq, please stop already, wow has much bigger issues.

The chance to get a 340 item to tf to 380+ is like 0,01%.

Stop pretending that world quest farmers are walking around in full tf gear and focus on real issues instead of moaning about how jealous you are
21/10/2018 22:31Posted by Dappysham

They deserve what ever they are able to get seeing as they pay the same sub as you.

No everyone has the time to play all content. Me for example, I’m taking it slow at the moment because I’m enjoying it all and done want to burn myself out.

WF/TF are fine, reduce the % and it’s good.


Then give me that fking glad title and mount, I WANT IT NOW!
Tbh I don't see how removing it would do anything positive. The roots are all ready embedded deep. I would prefer a little tweaking warforge/titanforge if the item is a duplicate that mean you need to do content repeatedly if you desire the higher ilvl.

Now with that out of the way. The WF/TF issue has already been addressed by more capable members of the community on multiple occasions. This is just regurgitating opinions.

Visiting these threads and seeing people say they're unsubbing and that WF/TF is cancer does tickle me tho :).
27/10/2018 11:53Posted by Incinder


Visiting these threads and seeing people say they're unsubbing and that WF/TF is cancer does tickle me tho :).


It is also funny when you realise they are posted by players that have used WF/TF to boost their item level high enough to get into Mythic+ in the first place and are only crying for its removal now they are getting their drops.
27/10/2018 10:34Posted by Greengby
21/10/2018 22:31Posted by Dappysham

They deserve what ever they are able to get seeing as they pay the same sub as you.

No everyone has the time to play all content. Me for example, I’m taking it slow at the moment because I’m enjoying it all and done want to burn myself out.

WF/TF are fine, reduce the % and it’s good.


Then give me that fking glad title and mount, I WANT IT NOW!


I’d rather give you ability to read! :p

Problem understanding:

“They deserve what ever they are “able” to get”?

If you are able to get title and mount, go for it. You deserved it.

It’s less of a RNG than WF/TF...

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