Current state of MM on PTR.

Hunter
10/11/2018 14:31Posted by Terapeuten
PLEASE just stop Vorren. I dont know what dip!@#$s youve been dueling, but double-tap-rapidfire with 3 x Focused Fire is not in any way a significance that MM works in PvP. And even with that, youre gonna lose to most decent players who just interrupts you or heal up.

Get your head out off your %^- and get with the program. MM is in the most messy state than it has _EVER_ been since TBC. The devs have NO clue where to take it. Right now, there's probably a 33/33/33 that they revert to an older iteration of MM, do something completely random with its current state, or that they just wont bother because trust me, right now they are driving blind. But if you think that you being able to win a couple of duels with cooldowns on PTR makes hunter even remotely good, then you have zero clue what you are talking about.


MM Current is not working.

8.1 Currently is better than it is now. Are their issue yes tons but Im trying to work the spec out and make it work for us. End of the day I have played MM all my wow life and its the spec I enjoy the most.

Yes BFA has killed it off currently as it can not really do well in high M+ or raiding and pvp.

Will the new version of MM work in M+ , Raiding and pvp yes I think it will. Will it be top dps no I see it as low to mid but still having in a better place the its current version.

So get your head out your !@# and instead of crying about your broken spec why not put forward ideas on how to improve the spec.

Like say:

Trick Shot to work on 2+ targets.
Remove the nerfs in pvp now that the talents have been reworked.
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.
Increase the focus re-gen from Steady Shot.
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.
Bring back the raid buff hunters once had.
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.
Increase mastery weight.
10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
why not put forward ideas on how to improve the spec.

Like say:

Trick Shot to work on 2+ targets.
Remove the nerfs in pvp now that the talents have been reworked.
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.
Increase the focus re-gen from Steady Shot.
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.
Bring back the raid buff hunters once had.
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.
Increase mastery weight.


1. Ideas on how to improve the spec are entirely pointless because blizzard both never read EU forums, and never take feedback into account regardless.

2. Feedback from the 'top' MM theorycrafters in the community is entirely ignored, even when posted in professional and concise formats (See recent reddit feedback compendiums). Feedback from some random suggesting ludicrous changes on a forum they don't read is hardly useful, in all honesty.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.


Things like this just make your suggestions silly. Trueshot on PTR is a very powerful 2 min cooldown. With a 10 second reduction, trueshot would be approaching something like a 50 second cooldown, possibly even less at around ~ 30-40 seconds during bloodlust. This isn't even accounting for our calling the shots talent which would further reduce this to something in the region of 20-25 seconds. Does this sound correct to you? Even at 5 seconds, having this as baseline which you imply is precisely why random people on the wow forums do not make good game designers.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.


Pointless change, changes absolutely nothing.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%


Worry about mechanical changes first, tuning later. This is a clear absolute guess at numbers.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.


?? Not even sure what you mean here. Haste DOES work on cast times? This is a very basic thing to understand.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Increase mastery weight.


..But why? Mastery is completely fine right now, and there is no reason it won't be in 8.1.

The only thing is this entire list that would *actually* be benefitial to MM mechanically is trick shots activating on 2 targets. And even that is only half of it, as it needs to extend past 6 as well. But suggesting this still is just pointless, because this has been included in every bit of feedback since it was added in the BFA alpha. It's clear blizzard have no intent in changing it, otherwise they would have by now.
10/11/2018 21:13Posted by Jerby
10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
why not put forward ideas on how to improve the spec.

Like say:

Trick Shot to work on 2+ targets.
Remove the nerfs in pvp now that the talents have been reworked.
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.
Increase the focus re-gen from Steady Shot.
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.
Bring back the raid buff hunters once had.
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.
Increase mastery weight.


1. Ideas on how to improve the spec are entirely pointless because blizzard both never read EU forums, and never take feedback into account regardless.

2. Feedback from the 'top' MM theorycrafters in the community is entirely ignored, even when posted in professional and concise formats (See recent reddit feedback compendiums). Feedback from some random suggesting ludicrous changes on a forum they don't read is hardly useful, in all honesty.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.


Things like this just make your suggestions silly. Trueshot on PTR is a very powerful 2 min cooldown. With a 10 second reduction, trueshot would be approaching something like a 50 second cooldown, possibly even less at around ~ 30-40 seconds during bloodlust. This isn't even accounting for our calling the shots talent which would further reduce this to something in the region of 20-25 seconds. Does this sound correct to you? Even at 5 seconds, having this as baseline which you imply is precisely why random people on the wow forums do not make good game designers.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.


Pointless change, changes absolutely nothing.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%


Worry about mechanical changes first, tuning later. This is a clear absolute guess at numbers.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.


?? Not even sure what you mean here. Haste DOES work on cast times? This is a very basic thing to understand.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Increase mastery weight.


..But why? Mastery is completely fine right now, and there is no reason it won't be in 8.1.

The only thing is this entire list that would *actually* be benefitial to MM mechanically is trick shots activating on 2 targets. And even that is only half of it, as it needs to extend past 6 as well. But suggesting this still is just pointless, because this has been included in every bit of feedback since it was added in the BFA alpha. It's clear blizzard have no intent in changing it, otherwise they would have by now.


So your idea then is to do nothing say nothing just forget about posting about MM as blizzard wont read anything.........
10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren

8.1 Currently is better than it is now. Are their issue yes tons but Im trying to work the spec out and make it work for us. End of the day I have played MM all my wow life and its the spec I enjoy the most.


You can try to make it work out but its not going to work out in the current iteration on PTR. Its completely irrelevent if you played MM all wow Life. I seriously doubt that statement, cause it would be impossible to be this clueless if it was true.

Will the new version of MM work in M+ , Raiding and pvp yes I think it will.


They can buff numbers and make any spec work in raiding, but numbers wont fix this spec for pvp or M+.

So get your head out your !@# and instead of crying about your broken spec why not put forward ideas on how to improve the spec.

Wow. Do you think its LACK OF IDEAS that made MM to what it is now on PTR? Really? You dont think that top-players have come up with good suggestions during Legion / BFA? Oh lord, you are ignorant if thats the case.

ALL of your suggestions just give witness to the fact that you are completely clueless when it comes to game design. Only suggestion of worth is the trick shot, but that is so obvious that youre not gonna get any credit to it.

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