Companies wont get away with it

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12/11/2018 12:04Posted by Râlph
12/11/2018 12:02Posted by Silvessa
If you want a good game. Go have a nose about some indie titles.

Sadly wow has transformed and micro transactions will be the norm.

That's a general issue with the industry tbh, all new ideas are "risky" so small unknown studios accept them in hopes of making something good or getting bigger but have no real budget to create something big or detailed enough.

Meanwhile the companies who have giant budgets just remake old things instead of risking new ideas


Dam these forums on mobile. Dam anything on mobile.

I tried to reply with its a copy paste and new expansion.

I do think the artists were the only folks with original work in BfA
12/11/2018 10:10Posted by Râlph
12/11/2018 10:07Posted by Mojomane
Thats the concept of a free market, not a regulated one.

Yeah we are seeing what an unchecked market is doing, no corporate greed and enormous companies fu***** over the world at all ;^)

They are doing anything to maximize profit because they are FREE to do so, CoD is a great example, a reskinned game with tiny alterations sold every year for 60$ or more


Then don't buy it. It's a free market - if you think you can do better, nobody stops you from founding your own company, make better games and get them out of busyness.
12/11/2018 09:36Posted by Redoctober
12/11/2018 09:33Posted by Râlph
Maybe one day they ll stop obsessing over maximizing profit and be forced to create better and new gameplay


It would be great, but I'm afraid that ship has sailed when gaming became a mainstream thing to do instead of a geek only thing. Business execs smelled blood in the water and are not about to let go now.


Not entirely true, CD Projekt Red, Respawn Entertainment and all the countless indie devs still show us games can be made with quality gameplay and no shoddy DLC practices, not to mention From Software.
12/11/2018 09:47Posted by Slerk
You know what would be better?

If there was a certain quality in gameplay (tested by a court outside of the company or industry) that every company has to reach. Fallout 76 would have gotten trashed. Any EA game would get trashed. BfA would have been trashed and WoW altogether seeing how controversial changes in leveling etc. are.

The game doesn't reach it's certain quality? Well, then the company isn't allowed to release it. Want to release it? Then get some quality up. And of course they would assure that the quality standards are holding up when it's released. If they lied or something then they would get a penalty that would ruin their company. Pretty simple. Deliver quality or your company gets destroyed.


You'd want the state to control the content of video games and other entertainment products? That's a horrible idea, it's cultural censorship of the worst kind and people here are actually applauding it.

Also celebrating the laws of some communist dictatorship, like they care about their citizens.

Some people have lost all perspective, if you don't like a game, film, song or other piece of entertainment you don't go and censor it or raise an angry mob to drive it into ruin, you just stop consuming it and move on.
12/11/2018 09:36Posted by Redoctober

It would be great, but I'm afraid that ship has sailed when gaming became a mainstream thing to do instead of a geek only thing. Business execs smelled blood in the water and are not about to let go now.


They will have to let go or crash.

We're getting close to a point where investors expect games to sell more than realistically possible. If they keep on basing everything on the projection calculations they got taught in their university degrees, then they will inevitably fail. Because they have disjointed those projections from reality, which is what both maths and physics try to correspond to.
12/11/2018 12:20Posted by Shumensko
Then don't buy it. It's a free market - if you think you can do better, nobody stops you from founding your own company, make better games and get them out of busyness.

I wonder how delusional people like you can be.

Many whine about EA ruining franchises, blizzard ruining games and more yet the moment you hear someone want to regulate an out of control greedy corporation that cannot be challenged because it is worth billions you become their faithful defender.

I guess the rich people behind the company are all smiling in their million euro villas that can get poor idiots to defend them xD
12/11/2018 09:33Posted by Râlph
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/11/08/chinas-gaming-crackdown-should-worry-the-industry-elsewhere

Maybe one day they ll stop obsessing over maximizing profit and be forced to create better and new gameplay
They already sold to Netease and Tencent hold a majority of the shares, I don't have alot of hope left for Activision-Blizzard. They have reached the same level as EA who sells DLC for their DLC, thanks to the steps they have taken last week. A feat I thought was impossible.

12/11/2018 09:46Posted by Purplemage
Have you watched Mark Zuk(whatever) in front of Us and Eu on the hearings ?

Politicians have no clue how internet works might as well gaming industry .. Cant regulate !@#$ if you have no knowledge
They banned memes and even essentially fanart for copyright... #1 rule of the internet don't try to regulate, it's like a hydra. Obvious black market stuff go after it but when you silence or cripple people a new site will pop, they wanna control it the same way they can control news stations and papers. It's too late for that. It's a bit like talking with old people about video games, everything is pac man or mario not a single one challenges you. The one watching tv is having more active than you!

Same with good and deep manga's being comapred to simpe comics or how amazing Anime or the avatar cartoon gets compared to /cringe Spongebob. People who hate the internet, don't care for it or do not have enough expertise shouldn't be allowed to have a vote. But tada here we are...
12/11/2018 18:21Posted by Râlph
12/11/2018 12:20Posted by Shumensko
Then don't buy it. It's a free market - if you think you can do better, nobody stops you from founding your own company, make better games and get them out of busyness.

I wonder how delusional people like you can be.

Many whine about EA ruining franchises, blizzard ruining games and more yet the moment you hear someone want to regulate an out of control greedy corporation that cannot be challenged because it is worth billions you become their faithful defender.

I guess the rich people behind the company are all smiling in their million euro villas that can get poor idiots to defend them xD


I know that the alternative is a lot worse, because I've lived in a socialist society. To quote Chirchill: "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

So I think you're the delusional one if you think that a system that failed so many times will somehow magically work next time.
I pay full price for Battle for Azeroth, and in release day it was so bugged. Still game have more quantity content than quality. Islands, warfronts, dungeons, raids. But nothing realyl is interesting enought to stay and play more. Rewards chance are so low on every diff, no metter how hard you will try. Lots of time you will get kick from islands by losers who want get look only for themself. And everything in game cost so much gold when gold income was nerfed to 0.
12/11/2018 09:46Posted by Purplemage
Have you watched Mark Zuk(whatever) in front of Us and Eu on the hearings ?

Politicians have no clue how internet works might as well gaming industry .. Cant regulate !@#$ if you have no knowledge


Can confirm, The UK wanted to ban !@#$ and data encryption, and the EU wants to filter the entire internet for copyright.

There all double digit IQ, out of touch boomers that would fall for the Indian router scammers hook, line, and sinker if there minders didnt stop them.
12/11/2018 10:10Posted by Râlph
They are doing anything to maximize profit because they are FREE to do so, CoD is a great example, a reskinned game with tiny alterations sold every year for 60$ or more


Well, they obviously publish games that are according to the standards the customers set, if people were unhappy with the product, they wouldn't buy the next iteration of the product and if no one would buy it and they would stop making them.

Who are we to decide weather a game is good or bad, i myself wouldn't buy a CoD/Fifa/whatever for the reason you stated but it might be worth it to someone else.

I also wouldn't buy a Ferrari but obviously other people do and i have no problem with that.

12/11/2018 10:10Posted by Râlph
Yeah we are seeing what an unchecked market is doing, no corporate greed and enormous companies fu***** over the world at all ;^)


You obviously need regulations in markets that directly or indirectly affect other peoples lifes (Like the Oil market/Food market/Car market/Whatever you try to imply) but markets that don't affect other peoples lifes, should be able to do what they want, as long as it's within the bounds of law.
12/11/2018 09:42Posted by Râlph
Well we already have Belgium banning lootboxes(No lootboxes for belgium players) so i am pretty sure more places in EU or more likely the EU itself will start creating laws to regulate gaming companies.

Though i dont expect much from the US in its current state xD


Well it would have some effect on North America. The GDPR regulations dont bind American companies but if they want to operate in Europe it's easier for them to use them for all their markets.

If EU were to make it so lock boxes had to give you odds then it's easier for a NA player to look that up too as they would have the same odds. It's easier just to show it in all regions. It would work the same if NA were to pass similar legislation. At the moment it's just easier to disable them for specific countries, maybe legislation has been appealed to the highest court possible.
12/11/2018 12:09Posted by Meristu
12/11/2018 09:42Posted by Râlph
Well we already have Belgium banning lootboxes(No lootboxes for belgium players) so i am pretty sure more places in EU or more likely the EU itself will start creating laws to regulate gaming companies.

Though i dont expect much from the US in its current state xD


Do you know what that actually did ? It basically killed whole steam market ...
In the long run bringing politics into gaming is only going to hurt players ..


Buying loot boxes is akin to gambling. Young children should not be gambling. Ever. Why should the unregulated gaming industry, which is in its infancy get away with it?
14/11/2018 15:54Posted by Dramuir

Buying loot boxes is akin to gambling.

Highly debatable
Blizz and WoW will be fine; that article is about games that are designed to be ultra-compelling and highly addictive.

Once the initial shine wears off, nothing about BfA is compelling.
12/11/2018 20:05Posted by Plamcia
I pay full price for Battle for Azeroth, and in release day it was so bugged. Still game have more quantity content than quality. Islands, warfronts, dungeons, raids. But nothing realyl is interesting enought to stay and play more. Rewards chance are so low on every diff, no metter how hard you will try. Lots of time you will get kick from islands by losers who want get look only for themself. And everything in game cost so much gold when gold income was nerfed to 0.


Bugs are what Alpha and Beta testing is for and it is opened to the player base to help with this, however the player base will often ignore that and play just to see the content before release.

If rewards were always guaranteed we’d all be fully geared and clearing mythic content with ease. That would feel incredibly boring and give less depth to the game then there is at the moment. Remember the days when old PlayStation games had cheat codes to unlock everything? Was fine for a while but then it made the games worse. having everything ASAP doesn’t make the game better because then there is nothing to play towards.

The islands issue is a combination of bad implementation and player attitude, the players you end up with ultimately are the ones who are abusing the feature to kick you. I’ve had one kick ever from islands across my characters.

What costs too much gold in game? If you’re talking about the AH then remember that the AH is for players to make gold from other players .
12/11/2018 09:42Posted by Râlph
Though i dont expect much from the US in its current state xD


Better than sweden and DICE that's for sure.
Games burn out. The thing with WoW is the constant threat to lose accumulated state. The only time the EULA mentions the value added for me is by taking it hostage.
Bwahahaha... Remind me again how every game was the absolute pinnacle of awesomeness before everyone jumped on the lootbox bandwagon.

(Been gaming longer than most of the people whining about loot boxes were alive.)

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