Have some faith in Blizzard!

Classic Discussion
28/10/2018 00:56Posted by Kuunmaku
We can't go back to the exact same version we had 14 years ago probably ever. It would take a lot more work from Blizzard's side and from the players side to get optimal experience. Guess it boils down to few options: either you play with buggy emulators, you play remastered version or you don't play at all.


But Blizzard can do much better than what it looks like they are doing. It will never be 100% but you can't claim with a straight face that the option to have water look like transparent turquoise jello is an unavoidable change.

The remaster idea is fine of course. I love remasters. Thing is that Blizzard never promoted Classic as a remaster of Vanilla. Rather they have been emphasizing the authenticity of the project.
So much negativity for few updated graphics, also for not using exactly the old ones.

I am really sorry that you will be back on private servers just because some ppl will have an option for a lil better graphics. But it is prolly for the best of the new classic community that will be born after the classic launch, less drama and toxic !@#$%ing about every fkn little thing, even the ones that DO NOT affect the gameplay.
I am done with the forums, it is really sad to see all this bashing on Blizz when you should be fkn happy because classic is really happening...
28/10/2018 01:31Posted by Ashiharademo
So much negativity for few updated graphics, also for not using exactly the old ones.

I am really sorry that you will be back on private servers just because some ppl will have an option for a lil better graphics. But it is prolly for the best of the new classic community that will be born after the classic launch, less drama and toxic !@#$%ing about every fkn little thing, even the ones that DO NOT affect the gameplay.
I am done with the forums, it is really sad to see all this bashing on Blizz when you should be fkn happy because classic is really happening...


This has to be the most toxic complaints about toxicity that I have ever had the misfortune of reading. You really believe that you are somehow the calm and collected exception in all of this?
28/10/2018 01:31Posted by Ashiharademo
So much negativity for few updated graphics, also for not using exactly the old ones.

I am really sorry that you will be back on private servers just because some ppl will have an option for a lil better graphics. But it is prolly for the best of the new classic community that will be born after the classic launch, less drama and toxic !@#$%ing about every fkn little thing, even the ones that DO NOT affect the gameplay.
I am done with the forums, it is really sad to see all this bashing on Blizz when you should be fkn happy because classic is really happening...


"If you don't agree with me you're toxic!"

There have been plenty of arguments, discussions, things said for why people believe x, y, z, conflating them with colourblind mode or some other nonsensical strawman is ridiculous. When you have to make up nonsense and a poor analogy rather than address the argument being made I think that says it all really.

I'm not about to kiss the boots of a corporate company. Their main objective goal is profit and mine is giving them money if they provide an experience I'm after. They aren't a small indie company, they aren't a defenseless maiden, they're literally a fortune 500 business that are infamous for treating their playerbase like walking wallets. 2008 prior? I might have been inclined to agree but that version of Blizzard has long since been dead.

Cataclysm, Diablo 3, Bobby Kotick, most of their original talent either leaving to form other studios or being asked to retire. "You think you do, but you don't." Azerite armour. Loot boxes. Casino mechanics. In game store in a subscription based model. Systems designed for player retention and efficiency that treat you like a rat in a skinnerbox rather than actual engagement. Modern Blizzard have done nothing to earn my 'faith'.

Of course I have respect for people like Mike Morhaime, Allen Adham, Kevin Jordan, Chris Metzen, Tom Chilton, Eric dodds, Twincruiser, Samwise etc they gave us a game I care about very dearly but any leeway the company itself earned has long since been used up.
28/10/2018 01:31Posted by Ashiharademo
So much negativity for few updated graphics, also for not using exactly the old ones.

I am really sorry that you will be back on private servers just because some ppl will have an option for a lil better graphics. But it is prolly for the best of the new classic community that will be born after the classic launch, less drama and toxic !@#$%ing about every fkn little thing, even the ones that DO NOT affect the gameplay.
I am done with the forums, it is really sad to see all this bashing on Blizz when you should be fkn happy because classic is really happening...


you're one obnoxious !@#$%^-.
27/10/2018 22:59Posted by Calìdore
27/10/2018 22:37Posted by Patejl
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Clearly you didn't play vanilla with overridden settings. Many of us do, don't ruin our vanilla experience. Thx.
if you're claiming you played vanilla with clear transparent water, toggle able autoloot, totalt differently rendered shadows, foliage and shaders, then you're a damn liar.

Edit: phone autocorrect


No, i played with better spell detail, terrain details, camera distance, autoloot addon and completely redesigned UI. Many graphics settings were capped but better computers were ale to overide ingame caps. Now we have all better computers so we desrve better graphics.
28/10/2018 00:56Posted by Kuunmaku
If you look at a screenshot sure private servers seem like a real deal, but when you go playing in one it fades kinda quick. We can't go back to the exact same version we had 14 years ago probably ever.

Nah it doesn't fade away, it's the same game. Server-side there are inaccuracies, but at least they use the same game client, and at least these inaccuracies AREN'T PURPOSEDLY INTENDED FOR SOME STUPID REASON (usually), they're just there because they're FLAWS. Unintentional flaws are forgivable and acceptable to some extent, intentional bull!@#$ - isn't.
I want vanilla and I know that I will like vanilla. I don't want to give a chance to SOMETHING that I could possibly dislike. I don't want this faint putrid taste of unnecessary "options" and "improvements" that I would have to pay for
Nope, if that's the case, I'm going back to pservers and never care about this remastered crap again

@Patejl
27/10/2018 19:34Posted by Strahnbrad
Vanilla had its options, too, and BfA graphics wasn't one of them.
You know you can have BfA graphics as a mod in vanilla client? And some people might have it? Go back to pservers and enjoy the very same thing but without direct button to better graphics for everyone. I would rather play at new client.
So what? Use those mods, then - if it's gonna be legal. No issues with that. You can even add some extra spice to it with nude mods and stuff like that.
They just don't belong to the core game.
28/10/2018 10:01Posted by Patejl
You know you can have BfA graphics as a mod in vanilla client? And some people might have it? Go back to pservers and enjoy the very same thing but without direct button to better graphics for everyone. I would rather play at new client.

So now we look at 2018 pserver optional graphical mods when recreating "authentic vanilla"? Great.
You know what I find completely unreal? That in some people's head they are getting a truer experience on private servers than from blizz. I mean, I was personally engaged in a discussion with the devs (elysium pre-drama) so that they would fix heroic strike and raptor strike which where not "loading up" and would give an error message if the target was out of melee rage. A pretty damn game breaking bug. This is the kind of glaring issues that some times you can find. Or pets pulling mobs/bosses through gates and walls. Or more.

What I am trying to say here is that people thinking that a private server could be a higher fidelity experience than the real deal are plainly insane. Yes they are good enough to give you a resemblance of the real game but a lot of details are off. If these people would be exposed to the true nature of the scope of approximation there is in a pserver their head would explode. They worry about optional toggles when in fact they are getting all the real data back, the original core of the game with all its value and properties and so on.

I mean the real deal is back and people are frothing at their mouth for absolutely no reason, drowning all possible constructive feedback as discussion in a sea of horse !@#$. It makes me sad.
27/10/2018 18:05Posted by Ashiharademo
They listened to the community, I am sure they ll keep listen from now on


you think you are sure, but you are not
28/10/2018 10:32Posted by Агграэль
28/10/2018 10:01Posted by Patejl
You know you can have BfA graphics as a mod in vanilla client? And some people might have it? Go back to pservers and enjoy the very same thing but without direct button to better graphics for everyone. I would rather play at new client.

So now we look at 2018 pserver optional graphical mods when recreating "authentic vanilla"? Great.


Yes, because it is 2018 now and we have the tools. You can continue to play on pservers but there would be no difference because people have those mods anyway. Many people want vanilla because of rpg feels not because they want to look at 10y/o game. Sure it might feel old with original graphics but pls dont enforce your needs to everyone, you can have your precious graphics back when simple click one button.

Just don't be that selfish vanilla player. New graphic doesn't mean we have new Azeroth like on retail. It will still be the same old Azeroth without phasing, without flying mounts, without cataclysm. And mounts still be expensive lvl 40 thing, so let us explore world in (slightly) new colors.
29/10/2018 01:21Posted by Patejl
Just don't be that selfish vanilla player. New graphic doesn't mean we have new Azeroth like on retail. It will still be the same old Azeroth without phasing, without flying mounts, without cataclysm. And mounts still be expensive lvl 40 thing, so let us explore world in (slightly) new colors.


We aren't interested in having changes forced on us. The same argument of 'it's optional' isn't quite as bullet proof as people think it is when we know things like new character models directly conflict with the old. If you want sharper textures be my guest but not to the detriment of our experience as well, if your argument is "we all have to be factored in to this!" then so we do. That's not touching on the fact that Blizzard has come out themselves and said explicitly, repeatedly, "Vanilla means Vanilla." It's the entire point of the project as stated by - you guessed it - Blizzard.

They literally titled their last Watercooler post as 'No Changes' and emphasized on this.
Have faith in a company that hasn't made a good gameplay decision in 10 years
29/10/2018 01:28Posted by Pref
Have faith in a company that hasn't made a good gameplay decision in 10 years


This negative streak ended when they announced the remaking of vanilla imo :)

Overwatch is also farily successful so your point isn't that solid.
29/10/2018 01:49Posted by Timoris
This negative streak ended when they announced the remaking of vanilla imo


And then BfA came.
It's not that I have no faith in Blizzard, it's that I have no faith in the community.

29/10/2018 01:49Posted by Timoris


Overwatch is also farily successful so your point isn't that solid.


Overwatch is also !@#$ing terrible, and each Overwatch related update to Heroes of the Storm has made that a worse and worse game.
29/10/2018 01:59Posted by Izerael
29/10/2018 01:49Posted by Timoris
This negative streak ended when they announced the remaking of vanilla imo


And then BfA came.


Do you even logic? How does one bad release (bfa) turn the re-release of vanilla into a bad decision?
29/10/2018 02:05Posted by Timoris
29/10/2018 01:59Posted by Izerael
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And then BfA came.


Do you even logic? How does one bad release (bfa) turn the re-release of vanilla into a bad decision?


1 bad release? so WOD was good now? no one have faith in blizzard they just cant leave a good game alone they gotta change change change. there is a disease like this you know?

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