A Guild of First-Timers

Classic Discussion
This post is only meant to gauge interest for a guild of this kind, as the release of Classic is still a while off.

I'm interested in starting or joining a guild of likeminded individuals, who want to play Classic WoW without [excessive] use of guides and/or foreknowledge.

I began playing WoW towards the end of The Burning Crusade, so I never actually experienced Vanilla, though I did play on Nostalrius for a bit. A private server environment never appealed to me much though, but I am excited to experience the slower pace and more social aspects that Classic holds in store for us on official servers. What I really hope for, though, is the opportunity to discover things for myself and to learn and grow alongside other people who may have missed the early days.

Of course, most (all?) people who will play Classic will have played WoW at some point before, and not all knowledge and memories can be wiped ("Wow, cool, a new town called Goldshire! I wonder what I can do here?").

This is ok, and I do not suggest dogmatically avoiding any kinds of guides at all costs. I do, however, feel like a general guideline like this could make for a fun experience.

As a guild, we would strive to progress through dungeons and raids on our own, figuring out pitfalls and challenges as we go along. Naturally, this means that we wouldn't be particularly "hardcore", and speed would not be our primary objective. Instead, I suggest emphasis is placed on exploration and trial-and-error.

I do not want to explicitly exclude people who have played Vanilla, all are welcome. That being said, if one were to have great knowledge of many encounters, it might defeat the purpose of this guild if it was just shared with everyone from the beginning. Likewise, if a knowledgeable person like that were to keep quiet on purpose, it might become frustrating for them to see the rest futilely derping around and missing something obvious.

Personally, I have been trying to keep myself from binge watching all kinds of stuff about Classic WoW, precisely because I want to discover it for myself.
Despite my efforts, I already know some things, and surely other people interested in this will as well; but I believe there may still be value in what I am proposing.

Information should be shared freely in the Guild as well, of course. The intent is to grow as a group, not each wait for everyone to individually figure out where Gromsblood grows before sharing it with them.

As a final note, I would be willing to be the guild leader, though I hope it would be a very democratic and non-hierarchical environment in general. I cannot, however, guarantee that I will have enough time to continue to fill that role in the future, and other obligations prevent me from playing outside evenings and weekends in general. As such, if anyone else is interested in taking up a leading role, let me know.

First of all, though, is anyone interested in a guild like this in the first place?

PS: In case it wasn't obvious from where I have posted this, I am from the EU region. Also, I currently intend to play Alliance as a faction, but am in principle open to the possibility of playing Horde instead.
I'll most likely play in a friend's guild but I really like the idea, it sounds like a great initiative! There's probably a lot of people who are excited to try out Vanilla for the first time but don't wanna end up in a elitist guild and make a fool out of themselves because they don't know every inch of the game, in that case your guild sounds like it would be a great place to be.

You should think up a good guildname that kinda indicates what sorta guild it is to make a lot of people wanna join, it's great leveling in a big guild in Vanilla since it's a lot easier to find people to group with then!
11/11/2018 20:08Posted by Furylawlz
You should think up a good guildname that kinda indicates what sorta guild it is to make a lot of people wanna join, it's great leveling in a big guild in Vanilla since it's a lot easier to find people to group with then!


Indeed, I hadn't given that any thought yet. Only thing that comes to mind immediately is something like just plain "First-Timers", "Discovering Classic (Vanilla?) Anew".

I expect most people in this forum will already have plans for a guild. That, and of course most people here tend to be the more "hardcore" crowd. I will try posting on other fora, like reddit or MMO champion as well.

Thanks for the encouragement :)
I'll have some knowledge ahead of time in regards to Instances and almost all of the early quests. But I have never, and will never use guides. Buuuuuuuuuut Horde for life.
11/11/2018 22:31Posted by Lindes
I'll have some knowledge ahead of time in regards to Instances and almost all of the early quests. But I have never, and will never use guides. Buuuuuuuuuut Horde for life.


Same here, regarding dungeons at least, but I've actually never done any Vanilla raids (well, I solo'd Molten Core once for fun in Legion, but that was basically 2-shotting everything).

It's been awhile, but I also think the Sunken Temple dungeon had some sort of puzzle involved... Stuff like that is what I'd like to explore and figure out without relying on another player (or an online guide) to do it all more me. I'm hoping to find other players who feel the same way.

Good luck playing Horde, maybe we'll meet on the battlefield (I intend to PvP quite a bit as well).
Ah the temple of Atal'Hakkar.

Yeah there is a nice quest which I think starts from tanaris and involves going down in the temple and activating some stuff in a certain order.

If you play horde take a shaman, not sure if they had tremor totem in vanilla but you'll want it!
I've already started forming such a guild. :)

Here is the short condensed version:

  • No rush, no guides, no bis lists. We should learn the game by playing. Of course anyone is welcome who respects that.
  • Progressive. Although we should strive for a laid back environment and experimentation, eventually we should clear all content (raids). If we have to min/max some to that end, so be it. If not, that's fine too.
  • PVE server. Any guild member is welcome to do what they want, including PVP. However, that's not the purpose of the guild.

We have a Discord server and there are already 17 people joined, with a few more expected. If anyone is interested, PM me on Reddit (elemesmedve)!

Now a bit more about me and what I have in mind for the guild.

I'm more of a single player kind of guy. I've enjoyed the Warcraft series but I haven't joined WOW, because it was online and multiplayer. Eventually, my curiosity got the better of me, though. :) I've signed up and tried out the game. This was at the very and of WoTLK. I couldn't even level a char properly (the one I'm using to post :), before Cataclysm dropped. I did finish leveling then and even started a new char but what I found was disheartening. The reworked zones were too "gamey" and ultimately uninteresting. I was disappointed, this wasn't a proper continuation of Warcraft. So I stopped.

Later I've found out about private servers. With a few acquaintances I rolled on a WoTLK one and started to level up and run dungeons. It was fun but they stopped playing and I didn't like the bugs and the PVP aspect so I stopped to. Even later I found a Vanilla server. It was PVP but low pop, so I could level in peace. One day I got a whisper. Someone wanted me to help them with Deadmines. I said that I was too low level. And I've never run Deadmines before. And I didn't really know how to play my Paladin. No matter, they said, just come. It was a very low pop server. :)

What followed was one of my greatest experiences with WOW. We wiped countless times but in the end we prevailed. Unfortunately soon later the server closed. I never played on private servers after that.

I learned that day that I really wanted to play Vanilla properly. (I've also learned that I don't really like healing. :)

I'll play Classic mainly to unwind, to relax, to enjoy the ambience and the slow but steady progression and improving my character. And of course to run more challenging content (like dungeons and raids) with the guild. :)

Although I have quite extensive knowledge of and some experience with WOW, I haven't played the original Vanilla and only run one dungeon on a private server. I'm eager to play properly and learn stuff by playing. I'm looking for others to share the journey with. They can be completely new to the game or grizzled veterans, it doesn't matter (if they don't try to lord their knowledge over the rest). We should take our time, enjoy ourselves and get better by playing. We can goof off but we should progress eventually. We should help each other. I hope we'll have a very good time. :)
12/11/2018 13:38Posted by Dalcymon
I've already started forming such a guild. :)


Cool, I'm happy to hear that there is at least some interest in something like this, given that you already have 17 people signed up.

I probably would have been interested in joining you guys, except I really love world PvP, so having to play on a PvE server is unfortunately a dealbreaker for me (I realize I didn't mention this in the original post...).

Best of luck to you!
If it rocks your boat, do it, but the reason for guides is that in Vanilla wow not knowing stuff beforehand will result in massive waste of time in form of doing simple repetitive stuff like running back and forth, waiting for a boat/zeppeling or just long rides on a taxi. I don't see how that's exciting to anyone, just annoying because it will become painfully obvious that you could skip a lot of that if you had just known some stuff beforehand.

Also many of you will likely join the choir of those who cry that "there's not enough quests" and you will find yourself grinding a lot to level. FYI there is NEVER need to grind in order to level, there's more than enough quests to level, but only if you do 90-95% of them. Things are complicated further that they are scattered around the world so it's not just going linearly from one zone to the next but hopping between continents back and forth. And yes, you will find yourselves going back to zones you already quested in since many zones are completed in stages.

So yeah, Vanilla is a very punitive game time waste wise for those without beforehand knowledge.
12/11/2018 16:15Posted by Toh
I probably would have been interested in joining you guys, except I really love world PvP, so having to play on a PvE server is unfortunately a dealbreaker for me (I realize I didn't mention this in the original post...).

Best of luck to you!

That's unfortunate.

But good luck to you too in your search!
I would certainly be interested in this type of guild, but I can't claim to be a first timer.

I started sometime during Vanilla before the gates of (that place i can never remember) opened, but I was only a little dwarf running around Ironforge handing in Linen for bandages, and had no real idea of what was going on.

I done a few speed runs of dungeons in pugs, where i had no real idea of what was going on, I just tagged along and kept healing people when needed.

I hate guides, I much prefer to find things out in game, which was always a problem point for me with most dungeon runs and all raid runs, I didn't want someone to tell me exactly what button to press when and just what each boss was going to do in advance, I wanted to find it out and find out how to counter it myself. This also means that most of my builds are far from optimum, some can be very avant guarde, but they all suit my play style, not someone elses.

I don't care whether it is horde or alliance, I'm an altoholic so will have characters for both, and i love crafting so intend to have every craft covered with a load of alts shipping mats in.

I've been ganged enough in Strangle Thorn to have gone off world pvp a bit but would happily play on a pvp server with a guild to help back me up.

Hopefully when things finally get started we can all meet up in game.
12/11/2018 16:26Posted by Kheron
If it rocks your boat, do it, but the reason for guides is that in Vanilla wow not knowing stuff beforehand will result in massive waste of time in form of doing simple repetitive stuff like running back and forth, waiting for a boat/zeppeling or just long rides on a taxi. I don't see how that's exciting to anyone, just annoying because it will become painfully obvious that you could skip a lot of that if you had just known some stuff beforehand.

Also many of you will likely join the choir of those who cry that "there's not enough quests" and you will find yourself grinding a lot to level. FYI there is NEVER need to grind in order to level, there's more than enough quests to level, but only if you do 90-95% of them. Things are complicated further that they are scattered around the world so it's not just going linearly from one zone to the next but hopping between continents back and forth. And yes, you will find yourselves going back to zones you already quested in since many zones are completed in stages.

So yeah, Vanilla is a very punitive game time waste wise for those without beforehand knowledge.

Well, how did people originally come up with the guides? We want to actually play the game. :) We know it involves trial and error.

It taking a lot of time is not a problem. That's the point of the game, basically. To leisurely go about our business, slowly doing stuff, getting better, getting gear, running dungeons dozens of times, etc. It'll take years, no problem.
11/11/2018 22:13Posted by Toh
11/11/2018 20:08Posted by Furylawlz
You should think up a good guildname that kinda indicates what sorta guild it is to make a lot of people wanna join, it's great leveling in a big guild in Vanilla since it's a lot easier to find people to group with then!


Indeed, I hadn't given that any thought yet. Only thing that comes to mind immediately is something like just plain "First-Timers", "Discovering Classic (Vanilla?) Anew".

I expect most people in this forum will already have plans for a guild. That, and of course most people here tend to be the more "hardcore" crowd. I will try posting on other fora, like reddit or MMO champion as well.

Thanks for the encouragement :)


You're welcome, as for the guildname something like ''Vanilla cherry boys'' or ''No experience'' could work :D
12/11/2018 16:26Posted by Kheron
If it rocks your boat, do it, but the reason for guides is that in Vanilla wow not knowing stuff beforehand will result in massive waste of time in form of doing simple repetitive stuff like running back and forth, waiting for a boat/zeppeling or just long rides on a taxi.


You make some good points, and it is not my intent to completely restrict access to pre-existing knowledge. However, specifically for content such as dungeons and raids (personally I would count quests as well), a large part of the enjoyment for me is discovering the mechanics, rather than being taught them.

I would certainly be interested in this type of guild, but I can't claim to be a first timer.

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I've been ganged enough in Strangle Thorn to have gone off world pvp a bit but would happily play on a pvp server with a guild to help back me up.

Hopefully when things finally get started we can all meet up in game.


I can recognize myself in much of what you describe.

Many of my most memorable experiences in WoW have been world PvP related. Getting ganked is not particularly fun, but it does create opportunities to band together and maybe triumph over the ganker eventually, and that feels great :)

If I find enough people interested in this, I will certainly set up a way for people to get in touch before launch so we can start on the same server.

It taking a lot of time is not a problem. [...] To leisurely go about our business, slowly doing stuff, getting better, getting gear, running dungeons dozens of times, etc.


"Leisurely" is very much how I would describe my intended approach to the game :)
I’m interested. I intend to solely play classic on release but unfortunately missed the demo.

I have learnt a little bit about vanilla wow because I was interested but that was mostly on character progression as I plan to play a pally. I have always been alliance and also live in the EU. I will be more PVE focused but am open to some PVP
14/11/2018 17:19Posted by Okuraseru
I’m interested. I intend to solely play classic on release but unfortunately missed the demo.

I have learnt a little bit about vanilla wow because I was interested but that was mostly on character progression as I plan to play a pally. I have always been alliance and also live in the EU. I will be more PVE focused but am open to some PVP


Happy to hear there are more people than just myself who are interested.

I didn't play the demo either, mostly because now that I know it's coming for real, I want to wait until release to play (I never play any game betas for the same reason).

As far as PvE/PvP goes, I have my heart set on a PvP server, but everyone is of course free to do whatever they want with their game time. My primary intent for the guild would just be to gather like-minded people together with regards to PvE progression independent of prior knowledge. Anything beyond that, as far as battlegrounds, world PvP or questing are concerned is just icing on the cake I guess :)

As the release comes closer I'll put up another post and have a simple website (or something) available so it will be possible to coordinate server choice and such. We'll see who is still interested at that time :D

I'll most likely be maining a Druid myself in Classic, hybrids ftw.
14/11/2018 19:38Posted by Toh
14/11/2018 17:19Posted by Okuraseru
I’m interested. I intend to solely play classic on release but unfortunately missed the demo.

I have learnt a little bit about vanilla wow because I was interested but that was mostly on character progression as I plan to play a pally. I have always been alliance and also live in the EU. I will be more PVE focused but am open to some PVP


Happy to hear there are more people than just myself who are interested.

I didn't play the demo either, mostly because now that I know it's coming for real, I want to wait until release to play (I never play any game betas for the same reason).

As far as PvE/PvP goes, I have my heart set on a PvP server, but everyone is of course free to do whatever they want with their game time. My primary intent for the guild would just be to gather like-minded people together with regards to PvE progression independent of prior knowledge. Anything beyond that, as far as battlegrounds, world PvP or questing are concerned is just icing on the cake I guess :)

As the release comes closer I'll put up another post and have a simple website (or something) available so it will be possible to coordinate server choice and such. We'll see who is still interested at that time :D

I'll most likely be maining a Druid myself in Classic, hybrids ftw.

I play on a PVP server on retail so I am used to that, i’m happy to help a guildie out in world pvp or if they’re getting ganked. PVE progression is definitely my primary focus and as for server choice i’m not too worried, my retail server won’t exist on classic anyway.

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