Sad state of affairs...

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I had an hour to kill yesterday afternoon, and decided to open a trial WoW account and log in to retail for the first time in nearly 7 years.

All my old chars were visible in the character screen, but all were inaccessible unless I re-subbed, however I could log onto a L1 alt in Stormwind. This I duly did.

What a truly depressing experience.

My old RP server, on a Sunday afternoon - a time that used to be absolutely alive and buzzing with people, many roleplaying, some just hanging around socialising, along with the usual crowd of non-RPers and lolatrons bunny hopping all over the place and racing around on their mounts.

But now Stormwind was like a damned ghost town. There were maybe six people running around near the bank/AH area, all mounted, all rushing to-and-fro with no words to spare for anyone, and no attention for anything but their own business.

Does BFA have one of those garrison things that I've read about that cause everyone to sit around in their own isolated castles, or was that just WOD?

The new models (first time I've seen them) somehow looked all wrong. I couldn't really say why, it just wasn't right for some reason. Maybe my lack of familiarity with the new mechanics and my love for the old game has jaded me? I dunno.

Eventually, after maybe around 10 minutes, after trying and failing to strike up a conversation with a couple of people (I was utterly ignored) I just logged out, feeling quite depressed.

Maybe it's different on other more populated servers such as Argent Dawn? I really don't know - but I was shocked and saddened to see what the game had become, the almost-empty Stormwind was a truly miserable place to visit.

I just hope Classic WoW can bring the life back to the game.
12/11/2018 12:18Posted by Grupp
Maybe it's different on other more populated servers such as Argent Dawn?


It is different on AD. I haven't visited stormwind in some time, but the new capital hub is fairly populated. Of course this is mostly because it's crz-area with people from other rp realms but at peak times it's different. Instead of seeing people from other realms you only get to see people from your realm (just not all of them because it's sharder, so you can't even see your guildies in boralus). Well, you also don't get to see people with war mode on.

12/11/2018 12:18Posted by Grupp
trying and failing to strike up a conversation with a couple of people


That's not happening, forget it. The only way to start a conversation with random people is to do meme spam on trade or troll on trade. Or so I'm told by guild mates, since I haven't had trade on in the past few years to avoid said meme spam and trolling. Every single person I met and talked to in wow since lfd came about is either friend of a friend, new guildie or potential recruit that wants info.

12/11/2018 12:18Posted by Grupp
Does BFA have one of those garrison things that I've read about that cause everyone to sit around in their own isolated castles, or was that just WOD?


Nope, just has absolutely nothing to do outside instances. All the new mechanics kinda farm themselves (when it comes to doing stuff in the world) and everything else is instanced.
12/11/2018 12:18Posted by Grupp
My old RP server


May i ask which server this was?
It's actually concerning seeing the world being so empty. I've read somewhere that the sub numbers have fallen a lot, in recent years. I'm worried that this decline on the live game might have a negative impact on Classic as well.
Perhaps you were not in warmode ?
May i ask which server this was?


Twas the first server I ever joined, Steamwheedle Cartel.

I left that server after a year or so and moved to Moonglade, but I still have fond memories of that server.
Perhaps you were not in warmode ?


I have no idea what warmode means.
It is different on AD. I haven't visited stormwind in some time, but the new capital hub is fairly populated. Of course this is mostly because it's crz-area with people from other rp realms but at peak times it's different. Instead of seeing people from other realms you only get to see people from your realm (just not all of them because it's sharder, so you can't even see your guildies in boralus). Well, you also don't get to see people with war mode on.


Dang, I forgot all about CRZ. I've never had any experience with it as I quit before it was rolled out. Can you even communicate with people who appear on your realm, but are actually on a different server, other than through Battlenet?
12/11/2018 12:48Posted by Grupp
May i ask which server this was?


Twas the first server I ever joined, Steamwheedle Cartel.

I left that server after a year or so and moved to Moonglade, but I still have fond memories of that server.


Yeah i've heard that server has had some pretty bad times with player migrations.

It was the same with Earthen Ring when i came back after a break. That server too, was buzzing with life from the first days of the beta until day one of release and from there until Wrath, when it became a ghost realm more or less.

I think it's like that for most of the oldest servers. That and people just got fed up with the direction the game was heading in and decided that enough is enough.

Makes me wonder what'd happen if they had made Classic a reality during Wrath..
12/11/2018 12:40Posted by Sfaxths
I'm worried that this decline on the live game might have a negative impact on Classic as well.


Unlikely imo. Others have said this before but current game is fundamentally different from classic in every way. There is some cross-over in target audience of each game but not much. If someone asked me "hey, I like bfa and I want to play other games like it too. Should I play classic?" my answer would probably be "try d3 instead, the controls are a bit different but it's much closer to bfa as a game experience".

12/11/2018 12:48Posted by Grupp
Twas the first server I ever joined, Steamwheedle Cartel.


My condolences, I started on swc too. That server was already completely dead during MoP sadly :(
In the final weeks of WotLK my old guild had almost all it's original members, and a few additions. It was active, fun and close-knit. We had our own website and message boards and were in close contact with other RP guilds for all kinds of shared events and shared scenarios.

Maybe four months into Cataclsym I was the only surviving member. Every single one had quit the game in utter disillusionment, and many of the other well-known guilds were experiencing the same thing. Our old message boards were crammed with 'why I quit' threads and promises to still keep in touch... but we all drifted apart without the glue of WoW to hold us together.

It was during this period that I as campaigning like crazy for Classic Servers, and in that I wasn't alone.

I stuck it out for a few more weeks, because I was still getting some pleasure out of solo-running old TBC content and farming rep with all the factions I had missed. But ultimately that dried up, leaving me with nothing. I just cancelled my sub, and that was the end of WoW as far as I was concerned.
12/11/2018 12:40Posted by Sfaxths
It's actually concerning seeing the world being so empty. I've read somewhere that the sub numbers have fallen a lot, in recent years. I'm worried that this decline on the live game might have a negative impact on Classic as well.


The current sub numbers is anyone's guess, because Blizzard doesn't share those figures anymore and haven't for a long time. If someone says there are x amount of active subs in WoW anywhere on the internet these days, take it with a grain of salt.

Most of them are just looking to stir !@#$ up by posting false/misleading information.

As for Classic, I wouldn't worry too much to be honest. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions who want to play the original game again, and Classic is the only incentive they need, to return to Azeroth.

I've spoken with so many people from back then, and people I have stayed in touch with since the beta for the original game, former guild mates, as well as old in-game enemies, and when Classic is released, they will return. Most of them quit during TBC and Wrath. Most of them have completely ignored private servers completely.
12/11/2018 12:49Posted by Grupp
Perhaps you were not in warmode ?


I have no idea what warmode means.

The mode most everyone is since BfA, which gives you some advantages/ebonus but actually shards you from the ones not in warmode.
Yeah, sounds... er.... great....er....
This topic doesn't fit the classic forums
12/11/2018 15:09Posted by Darkvveaver
This topic doesn't fit the classic forums


Oh come on, give the guy a break. He started on steamwheedle cartel, that's traumatic. You'd have to be there to know ;)
Enter the thread completely ignorant to everything surrounding the game and then blame your ignorance on the game rather than trying to learn and understand. The "almost empty" stormwind is a problem that dead servers have suffered since Vanilla, due to CRZ that's actually a lesser problem now for many servers.

And why do you expect people ready to talk to you just because you turned up? Yes people are getting on with their business, they aren't reading trade chat and they probably aren't particularly interested in some random player who wants to be social out of the blue, that has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with human nature.

If it makes sense to be social and interact then people will do it, there is a time and place for everything. For you the game may be new and fresh with many changes and you're full of curiosity, for them they might just be trying to get on with their daily ingame activities and you shouldn't expect them to share your enthusiasm, if they engage then great but don't expect it.

Warmode is great - They removed PVP/PVE servers and allow people on all servers to choose whether they want PVP on or off in the open world, most players choose PVP.
12/11/2018 15:20Posted by Bigbazz
Warmode is great - They removed PVP/PVE servers and allow people on all servers to choose whether they want PVP on or off in the open world, most players choose PVP.


So... they turned all servers to PvE? Cuz thats exactly how PvE servers work.
12/11/2018 15:27Posted by Nuckchorris
12/11/2018 15:20Posted by Bigbazz
Warmode is great - They removed PVP/PVE servers and allow people on all servers to choose whether they want PVP on or off in the open world, most players choose PVP.


So... they turned all servers to PvE? Cuz thats exactly how PvE servers work.


Nope, that's not how PVE servers worked. You go to Stormwind/Orgrimmar and you turn on (or off) Warmode, that is the only place you can do this. Most people play with Warmode on because it is more rewarding.

They turned all servers into PVE and PVP servers.

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