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They completely murdered everything when they 'streamlined' leveling. Lord knows what posessed them to destroy the original game like that.
12/11/2018 15:20Posted by Bigbazz
Enter the thread completely ignorant to everything surrounding the game and then blame your ignorance on the game rather than trying to learn and understand. The "almost empty" stormwind is a problem that dead servers have suffered since Vanilla, due to CRZ that's actually a lesser problem now for many servers.

And why do you expect people ready to talk to you just because you turned up? Yes people are getting on with their business, they aren't reading trade chat and they probably aren't particularly interested in some random player who wants to be social out of the blue, that has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with human nature.

If it makes sense to be social and interact then people will do it, there is a time and place for everything. For you the game may be new and fresh with many changes and you're full of curiosity, for them they might just be trying to get on with their daily ingame activities and you shouldn't expect them to share your enthusiasm, if they engage then great but don't expect it.

Warmode is great - They removed PVP/PVE servers and allow people on all servers to choose whether they want PVP on or off in the open world, most players choose PVP.


Your point being that I should have taken the time to learn all the whys and wherefores of the retail game before posting?

I once entered the city, it was busy.
I now enter the city and nobody is there.

What else am I to blame but the game? Human nature does not exist in isolation, human nature is nurtured. If the conditions that nurture human nature change, then human nature is bound to change along with them.

The fact that SW is empty is not due to some form of esoteric shift in human behaviour patterns but a direct result in changes to WoW's ethos, core gameplay, and social parameters.
12/11/2018 15:09Posted by Darkvveaver
This topic doesn't fit the classic forums


Why?
12/11/2018 15:20Posted by Bigbazz
Enter the thread completely ignorant to everything surrounding the game and then blame your ignorance on the game rather than trying to learn and understand. The "almost empty" stormwind is a problem that dead servers have suffered since Vanilla, due to CRZ that's actually a lesser problem now for many servers.

And why do you expect people ready to talk to you just because you turned up? Yes people are getting on with their business, they aren't reading trade chat and they probably aren't particularly interested in some random player who wants to be social out of the blue, that has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with human nature.

If it makes sense to be social and interact then people will do it, there is a time and place for everything. For you the game may be new and fresh with many changes and you're full of curiosity, for them they might just be trying to get on with their daily ingame activities and you shouldn't expect them to share your enthusiasm, if they engage then great but don't expect it.

Warmode is great - They removed PVP/PVE servers and allow people on all servers to choose whether they want PVP on or off in the open world, most players choose PVP.


Presumably you are going somewhere with this? What is your point exactly?


Stop being such a whiny little baby about everything, complaining because people didn't talk to you, complaining because you're ignorant towards features or changes of the game.

If you're ignorant about something then go and learn, don't just sit there acting clueless and upset like you've just been alienated and everything is wrong with the world (of warcraft, lol)..

Your post is basically big sad sob story where you're completely clueless but you have this pre-concieved notion that the game is now terrible and you're looking for people to rally around you and pat you on the back and circle jerk about how Blizzard ruined the game because 3 people ignored your level 1 on a dead server you logged into for 10 minutes.

12/11/2018 15:35Posted by Grupp
12/11/2018 15:09Posted by Darkvveaver
This topic doesn't fit the classic forums


Why?


Pretty obviously because it's a post about Battle For Azeroth.
12/11/2018 12:18Posted by Grupp
My old RP server, on a Sunday afternoon - a time that used to be absolutely alive and buzzing with people, many roleplaying, some just hanging around socialising, along with the usual crowd of non-RPers and lolatrons bunny hopping all over the place and racing around on their mounts.


The old RP servers died a while ago Grupp everyone migrated to AD-EU but even so it's a complete shadow of what it once was. AD EU now compared to what it used to be is like the difference between the roman empire at it's height and right at the very end after it all collapsed. If you do go to AD EU bear in mind that Stormwind is ERP central 2.0.

12/11/2018 12:18Posted by Grupp
Does BFA have one of those garrison things that I've read about that cause everyone to sit around in their own isolated castles, or was that just WOD?


It was just WoD but people can access their Garrison anytime so they're used by bubble roleplayers. You can fit up to 40 people in there. There's a lot of guilds that keep to themselves.

12/11/2018 12:18Posted by Grupp
The new models (first time I've seen them) somehow looked all wrong. I couldn't really say why, it just wasn't right for some reason. Maybe my lack of familiarity with the new mechanics and my love for the old game has jaded me? I dunno.


Welcome to my living nightmare. They're a completely different art style and what they are, is entirely bastardized in every aspect, they blatantly lied when they said they were updating the models and keeping them 1:1. You should of seen the flak Bashiok caught from the forums at the time. Many of the new models only vaguely resemble what they once were. The human male looks like an anthrapoid ape has come to dinner. My gnome looks like a crack addict.

The proportions of the new models are perhaps what disgust me the most. They are so over the top I wouldn't even know where to begin. Between that and the new animations/rigging I honestly couldn't fathom what they were thinking at the time.

12/11/2018 12:18Posted by Grupp
Eventually, after maybe around 10 minutes, after trying and failing to strike up a conversation with a couple of people (I was utterly ignored) I just logged out, feeling quite depressed.

Maybe it's different on other more populated servers such as Argent Dawn? I really don't know - but I was shocked and saddened to see what the game had become, the almost-empty Stormwind was a truly miserable place to visit.


On Argent Dawn EU you need to get lucky to find anything decent it all depends on where you are, what time it is and who is around. People mostly stick to their own guilds, the major hubs are pretty hit and miss, modern roleplayers are very atomized and some of them will out right ignore random approachs. Horde are more open to being approached since the population is far smaller so they mostly appreciate you taking the time to say hello. Alliance treats people interacting with them as some kind of personal insult or trolling half of the time. I've never known a more anti-social atmosphere in an MMORPG. A simple hello to strangers is a sign of madness to modern players.
Stop being such a whiny little baby about everything, complaining because people didn't talk to you, complaining because you're ignorant towards features or changes of the game.
....blah blah blah rude things....


What an obnoxious reply. Personal insults, straw man attacks. Charming.
Thanks for the response Meibhín. Good to actually talk to a grownup.
12/11/2018 15:48Posted by Grupp
What an obnoxious reply. Personal insults, straw man attacks. Charming


He's just one of those people that doesn't want Classic, but still continue to troll this forum anyways, for the hell of it.

I've made it my number one priority to report these guys now. I'm tired of them, continuously trying to bashing on Classic and insulting everyone who do look forward to it, while they sit there playing their anti-social retail single player game.
12/11/2018 15:48Posted by Grupp
Stop being such a whiny little baby about everything, complaining because people didn't talk to you, complaining because you're ignorant towards features or changes of the game.
....blah blah blah rude things....


What an obnoxious reply. Personal insults, straw man attacks. Charming.


Of course it's obnoxcious, because I find your self-pitying attention seeking approach detestable. Your intentions are pretty transparent, you've decided to post in the classic forums because the BFA forums require a sub and then you've created a personal blog to whine in complete ignorance.

If you had been looking for help, genuine advice you would have been greeted with more respect.

12/11/2018 15:55Posted by Geronîmoo
12/11/2018 15:48Posted by Grupp
What an obnoxious reply. Personal insults, straw man attacks. Charming


He's just one of those people that doesn't want Classic, but still continue to troll this forum anyways, for the hell of it.

I've made it my number one priority to report these guys now. I'm tired of them, continuously trying to bashing on Classic and insulting everyone who do look forward to it, while they sit there playing their anti-social retail single player game.


Based on what do you assume that? I'm here specifically because i WILL be playing classic, I love the old versions of the game. Stop making blind assumptions on people you know nothing about, when you do that you only project your own prejudices on people and end up creating imaginary villians, not good for your mental health or your ability to communciate with other people.
So you logg 5 minutes in to the game with a level 1 Char , you have no idea how everything works, you expect like a kid that you get told everything and were everyone is, than you go to the forum to cry because the game doesn’t gather to you ?

You sound like a sad old man who thinks the internet is stupid and books are better in every way, because you don’t understand what it is.
12/11/2018 15:48Posted by Grupp
What an obnoxious reply. Personal insults, straw man attacks. Charming.


I didn't notice you were being attacked. Pay no mind to them, retail fans get religiously incensed when you criticize their activision bible. I don't particularly like that #garbage but you can understand now why No Changes has so many hardcore fanatics. This is what we're dealing with.

If you ever want any tips and you're looking for roleplay on live let me know there's some very good guilds around but they tend to be hidden away. Troll RP on AD EU is still pretty good.
I have to admit I've resubbed and I've been having great fun again, just wandering around leveling a few alts (most of my old characters seemed unplayable as everything had changed and i hadn't a clue what to do).

I'm on Defias Brotherhood and there are always a few people in Stormwind in the evening or at weekends, it isn't busy, but I expected everyone to be at the new locations anyway.

I haven't bought Legion or BfA I had barely started WoD. I don't know anyone anymore and so not bothering to read chat, just playing as a solo game for a bit to fill in the months until Classic comes out, and to re-acquaintance my fingers with the controls (at least I'm not drawing a sword on someone every time I turn around like in ESO).
12/11/2018 15:57Posted by Bigbazz
Stop making blind assumptions


You mean the way you make blind assumptions regularly? Hypocrite much?

12/11/2018 15:57Posted by Bigbazz
I'm here specifically because i WILL be playing classic


I'd believe that if it wasn't for all your toxic posts and personal insults.
How funny. I did the exact same thing 2 months back after a collegue asked me to play again.
Had the same exact experience. I pulled trough to 30 but by then it was clear that it would be just me alone doing the grind. Kind of made me excided for classic though.
Modern wow is by no means a bad game, it's just not just my game anymore.
12/11/2018 19:12Posted by Geronîmoo
12/11/2018 15:57Posted by Bigbazz
Stop making blind assumptions


You mean the way you make blind assumptions regularly? Hypocrite much?

12/11/2018 15:57Posted by Bigbazz
I'm here specifically because i WILL be playing classic


I'd believe that if it wasn't for all your toxic posts and personal insults.


I've not insulted anyone, just calling people out (but hey feelings are subjective, if someone feels insulted then so be it). Player comes to classic forums to make a whining blog post about BFA having spent 10 minutes on a level 1 character and making no effort to learn anything about the game.. It was just a self absorbed whine post.

And what the hell does being "toxic" have to do with whether or not someone likes or dislikes Vanilla WoW? I think the OP is pretty toxic, an uninformed opinion posted in an off-topic section of the forums intended only to !@#$ on the game and its current playerbase.

If my posts are insults, the OP's posts are toxic.

12/11/2018 19:18Posted by Rechoque
How funny. I did the exact same thing 2 months back after a collegue asked me to play again.
Had the same exact experience. I pulled trough to 30 but by then it was clear that it would be just me alone doing the grind. Kind of made me excided for classic though.
Modern wow is by no means a bad game, it's just not just my game anymore.


Your classic journey will be different for one big reason.. Everyone will be embarking on the same journey at the same time, many of them for the first time. The difference in BFA is that the vast majority of players are at max level and the game revolves around max level.

Lets say though 2 years into classic you decided to play a new char, unless you levelled with friends you would also find yourself in a situation where you might not always have people to group with for dungeons and you need a max level boost, you might not be able to complete certain quests.. When you undertake your journey in relation to the current progression of the game and playerbase has a huge effect on your overall experience.

Playing a new private server during the first weeks is a chaotic but awesome experience because everyone is on the same journey as you at the same time, that is the key and that is especially why BFA does not work at low levels.
If my posts are insults, the OP's posts are toxic.


Where exactly was the OP toxic?

Or are you one of those people who go ham on others for having an individual opinion that differs from your own? Kind of looks that way to me.

Maybe learn how to properly read before taking things completely out of context from your lack of general reading comprehension, eh?
Dear oh dear, what angry folk I seem to have caused to crawl out of the woodwork. All because I expressed my sadness in regard to my old server being quiet like a ghost town. God-knows what would have happened if I'd really insulted their precious BFA! I shudder to think of the torrent of rage that would have ensued.

I have to admit that I find it amusing to be referred to as a 'whiny little baby' by a person who goes into a full-on, invective-filled rant over any criticism of his beloved video game. If you want to see a real 'whiny little baby' Bigbazz, take a long, hard look in the mirror. Oh, and you have a silly name. There, I said it.

And as for his partner in crime Krapador, or whatever his name is:

you expect like a kid

You sound like a sad old man


So basically an old man-child then?

Anyway, to get back on track before I was rudely interrupted by gatecrashing retail hive swarmers:

I have to admit I've resubbed and I've been having great fun again, just wandering around leveling a few alts (most of my old characters seemed unplayable as everything had changed and i hadn't a clue what to do).


Glad you're enjoying it once again. To be honest, post-Catacysm gameplay isn't for me. I'm afraid I just can't enjoy it myself (shhh! Don't tell Bigjizz and Kakadoor, or whatever their damned names are). I'll hold out for classic, but it's good to see that others still get some pleasure out of it.
12/11/2018 19:25Posted by Geronîmoo
If my posts are insults, the OP's posts are toxic.


Where exactly was the OP toxic?

Or are you one of those people who go ham on others for having an individual opinion that differs from your own? Kind of looks that way to me.

Maybe learn how to properly read before taking things completely out of context from your lack of general reading comprehension, eh?


The OP's post(s) was/were toxic on the count that he/she gave the game no chance and immediately jumped to a pre-concieved notion of negativity towards the game, "I haven't played the game for 7 years but I just played my level 1 for 10 minutes and some people ignored me, and I'm posting it here in the classic forums because I don't have a sub".

It's just a self-absorbed negativity with an agenda that is based on ignorance, willful at that. I perfectly understand the sentiment that was trying to be pushed and I can't sympathise with it at all due to the approach taken and the fact that ultimately the OP knows nothing about the game and yet has formed quite a clear opinion as stated throughout this thread.

I was civil in my first post, when asked what I meant I was blunt and obnoxious, sticks and stones.
The OP's post(s) was/were toxic on the count that he/she gave the game no chance and immediately jumped to a pre-concieved notion of negativity towards the game


I actually feel a bit bad for you now.

Tell you what I'll apologise if it makes you feel any better.

I am truly sorry I was mean to Battle For Azeroth, and promise never to be mean to it again.

There. All better.
12/11/2018 19:49Posted by Grupp
The OP's post(s) was/were toxic on the count that he/she gave the game no chance and immediately jumped to a pre-concieved notion of negativity towards the game


I actually feel a bit bad for you now.

Tell you what I'll apologise if it makes you feel any better.

I am truly sorry I was mean to Battle For Azeroth, and promise never to be mean to it again.

There. All better.


Why would I care about that? I haven't been subbed to BFA for 6 weeks and don't even play the game, I'm here for classic. I just didn't like that you wrote off a game you hadn't even played based on being self absorbed and willfully ignorant, then used that to write an offtopic blog post.

You want an opinion, make it an informed one. Some people didn't reply to your level 1, boo hoo.

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