How to set raider io to private

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24/10/2018 19:38Posted by Tokiri

Just a question, should facebook hide the time you posted on it? I mean I can see if you posted 10 hours ago. Is it breaking the law?

No, you can't see it, you are not my facebook friend and you will never be (no offense but you are an annonymous person from internet, not a change i will share that info with you), my fb post are only visible for those people that i want, if someone can see my fb posts is because i want him to be able to see it. I could make my post public so everyone can see it, but it will be my choice, you wont see that if i dont want too.

In fact Facebook is the first one i expect to not break any privacy laws, with their hugh number of users sites like Facebook or Twitter are the center of attention, everyone is looking what they do with magnifying glass.

24/10/2018 19:38Posted by Tokiri

Should any forum you subscribe to do the same everytime you post something?

Nope, to create an account in a forum i must grant them my consent to share that data, they must not force anything because they have my consent. But that does not means a thir unafiliated party should be allowed to copy that data without my consent, my consent was for the forum only. In fact that third party data does not only share my data, in this case they are also sharing the information from previous weeks that is no longer available in the original "forum".

The problem here is not the fact that they are showing information, is the fact that they are doing without my consent. People have the right to do what they want with their own data, that include hide but also show it, but it must be each one choice, not raider.io choice.
I wish one of these armchair lawyers would take it to court.

It would be genuinely hilarious to read a transcript of someone trying to explain why information on a few dungeons runs their completely anonymous wow character did is somehow a breach of their privacy.

24/10/2018 19:46Posted by Jadzía
The problem here is not the fact that they are showing information, is the fact that they are doing without my consent. People have the right to do what they want with their own data, that include hide but also show it, but it must be each one choice, not raider.io choice.


The thing is it isn't your data, it's Blizzard's data. The information is available on their own website as well, and others, regardless of raider.io. You should also check what you consented to when you signed up to play the game. You don't own your character or any game data.

Honestly, if you are that concerned about people seeing any details of what your wow character has done, when it has no link to you in real life, then you probably need therapy a lot more than you need to hide wow data.
24/10/2018 17:14Posted by Dejarous
24/10/2018 15:29Posted by Hthonia

Let's say you post a screenshot of something wow related in your fb...now they know the name of your char...it's weekend, someone asks you to go out, you want to play wow, but you don't want to tell the other person to $#*% off, so you say a lie about you going for hiking in the mountains or visiting your aunt or something...
imagine if that other person checks the armory (you don't need to be a member of mensa or be a detective to think this through) and sees some achievement on that day, or go through your guild page and sees that you looted items all day long
you never lie? ok good for you, i still want my privacy options
me having options does not affect your precious leaderboard


If you don't want that data linked you should ask yourself why you put it out in the world then.
You "have options" and the first one is to not put that information out there.


so you are basically telling me to stop playing and that you find absolutely nothing wrong with this "openess"
all you things-should-stay-as-is advocates make very constructive suggestions though!
forget the fact that so many other gaming companies -including valve with steam- and part of blizzard's overwatch team are offering the option that i want
they are wrong and i am wrong, right?
because all the WoW snowflakes must see my profile? this other dude told me i'm not important (for worrying about my privacy and such), i totally agree, and i want to add, if i'm not important why do you need to see any of my profile info?
ok
24/10/2018 19:34Posted by Jadzía
24/10/2018 19:29Posted by Saphiramoon
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It's not your character. Read the TOS. It's blizzard's. You only "rent" it.


That is totally irrelevant and does not change nothing, what do you expect me to say, "the character wich the one i play in the account i pay to Blizzard" ? still the character wont play herself alone, the schedule that site shows is showing when i play, is my daily schedule, if i play mondays and wednesday only those who i want must know wich days i play.


It's completely relevant from a legal standpoint of view. I see you never read what you agreed to. Your character can be played without you - by any blizzard employee. It can be deleted by them. It can be made to walk around naked in Orgrimmar by any of them.

On the other side, you can keep your character secret and nobody will know when you are playing because nobody will know it's yours. So...any information regarding you related to your character is given by you alone.
23/10/2018 05:17Posted by Gibsmedat
A better solution would be for everybody, who isn't an elitist jerk, to stop doing Mythics altogether.
Once Blizzard sees the sharp decline in Mythic runs, they will interpret the numbers to mean that people don't want to do Mythics and they will eventually get cut out.

Problem solved.


Sadly, this won't happen, as the best way to get gear is through M+'s. Since ALL the high ilvl players are nearly full M+ gear. It's the best way to gear up in this game. Hopefully that changes soon, but I highly doubt it.
23/10/2018 01:04Posted by Hthonia
23/10/2018 00:51Posted by Tokiri
Cool, so now the GDPR knights can go make their profile private and stop with the silly privacy excuse.


why would anyone "woke with the privacy" will stop after this?
to hide my profile i need to give rio my ip, my battle tag and my email address for verification, none of the above is acceptable, i shouldn't be doing anything to hide this. blizzard is responsible to give me an option to hide this, through THEIR INTERFACE

Technically they do not even have to give you an option to private it even if you want to, it's public information. I don't think you have a right to withdraw permission either, unless you withdraw permission from blizzard directly, at which point they'll close your account.
24/10/2018 19:46Posted by Jadzía
The problem here is not the fact that they are showing information, is the fact that they are doing without my consent. People have the right to do what they want with their own data, that include hide but also show it, but it must be each one choice, not raider.io choice.
Lmao.

Have you even read the ToS and agreements and such?
24/10/2018 20:59Posted by Holymagisch
23/10/2018 01:04Posted by Hthonia
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why would anyone "woke with the privacy" will stop after this?
to hide my profile i need to give rio my ip, my battle tag and my email address for verification, none of the above is acceptable, i shouldn't be doing anything to hide this. blizzard is responsible to give me an option to hide this, through THEIR INTERFACE

Technically they do not even have to give you an option to private it even if you want to, it's public information. I don't think you have a right to withdraw permission either, unless you withdraw permission from blizzard directly, at which point they'll close your account.


technically, you haven't read word of what i said, and offered nothing new to the subject.
thx anyway
24/10/2018 20:32Posted by Saphiramoon
It can be made to walk around naked in Orgrimmar by any of them.


That's my fetish
24/10/2018 15:29Posted by Hthonia
what ? it isn't clear what i am advocating for? i couldn't care less if rio exists or dissapears, i just want privacy options FROM BLIZZARD
i don't want to have a guild page that says
ElCowerino obtained Moofury Blessed Moo the Moo. 43 minutes ago
This feature might have a purpose or be exciting if you are looking the page of Method guild, for me it's a straight up privacy turnoff.
The armory page? exactly the same!
Let's say you post a screenshot of something wow related in your fb...now they know the name of your char...it's weekend, someone asks you to go out, you want to play wow, but you don't want to tell the other person to $#*% off, so you say a lie about you going for hiking in the mountains or visiting your aunt or something...
imagine if that other person checks the armory (you don't need to be a member of mensa or be a detective to think this through) and sees some achievement on that day, or go through your guild page and sees that you looted items all day long
you never lie? ok good for you, i still want my privacy options
me having options does not affect your precious leaderboard


So it's not about privacy at all, it's about telling lies... :( you little pinocchio.

Just curious, why you think that person would be cool being ditched off for a walk in a mountain but hold a grudge for playing a game?
23/10/2018 01:04Posted by Hthonia
23/10/2018 00:51Posted by Tokiri
Cool, so now the GDPR knights can go make their profile private and stop with the silly privacy excuse.


why would anyone "woke with the privacy" will stop after this?
to hide my profile i need to give rio my ip, my battle tag and my email address for verification, none of the above is acceptable, i shouldn't be doing anything to hide this. blizzard is responsible to give me an option to hide this, through THEIR INTERFACE

You know, when you created your account and logged into the game you agreed to their privacy policy and EULA on what data they have access to and what they can do with it. They have NO responsibility to provide sh*t to you beyond that and what the law requires from them.

The only responsibility Blizzard has regarding personal data in the EU is what the GDPR and other relevant data protection laws dictate and none of the laws, to my knowledge, require companies to have an option for people to hide their data despite what they agreed to in a license agreement.

Your rights as an EU citizen are:
1. you can request that Blizzard send you all the personal data they have on you
2. you can request that they delete all the personal data they have on you, which would also effectively delete your account

Please go for the second option and/or try to get Blizzard or raider.io sued by the EU for publicly displaying your character name and picture, which is owned by Blizzard and isn't personal information under any reasonable interpretation of the GDPR. I'd love to see how that works out for you.
This forum has devolved into pointless flaunting about knowledge about legal and illegal things, You'd think a multi-billion company like Blizzard would know their laws and have teams to review stuff like this, so we don't need to defend or accuse them but Ego has to get in the way.

The whole conspiricay theory paranoia brought up into this is simply pathetic and pity inducing, I'm actually sorry I called someone not that important because the way they talk makes them look like they have extreme issues.

Please everyone remember that the point of this thread is an option to set R.io private for people who don't like the thing, and they can rightly be no matter how good or bad they are because it's their opinion, while I disagree on setting your R.io private it is still a player's choice to do so and they are rightly entitled to it.

The whole point of achievements and statistics was that they are milestones you'd be proud about achieving things to aspire to get and things you are proud you have gotten, not about shaming and belittling other adventurers and it is sad that it has come to this, people who want to gauge other players ability have all the right to do so, but to shame them and belittle them is just a douche thing and that's why some people may want to profiles private, or simply because they don't like the thing.

This thread to is to show players that they can set their profiles as private, not to fight for the option which is a nice gesture from R.io and I commend them for that.

Let's not derail this thread into pointless accusations, thanks.
I think a lot of people don't understand why we say don't hide yourself with raider io.

We are not here to flame people,we want you to understand that by hiding yourself from it ,will mostly get rejected from more people.

and people claiming that private info and people should not be able to see it.

Did blizzard know for who you votre? Of course no!

Did blizzard share you're credit card info? Of course no!!!

Did blizzard share where are you from??? Hell no!!!!

So what blizzard share are juste what you have done in the Games and Everyone can ses it!!! That my 2 cents
oh look son, it's another "you agreed to this" and "blizzard dindu nothing" post
much interesting input! thx again! but i think i will still keep fighting for standard 2018 options whenever i have the chance

here's another priceless jewel
"The whole conspiricay theory paranoia brought up into this is simply pathetic and pity inducing, I'm actually sorry I called someone not that important because the way they talk makes them look like they have extreme issues."

i'm reminding again, all i asked for is: an option for private profiles, steam has it, overwatch has it, but this is extreme conspiracy paranoia and i have extreme issues.
you look upon me like i am an alien because i want something that's pretty much industry standard? yeah i'm the only one with the "extreme issues"...lmao

to Espanca about the "lieing scenario" why be mad to someone if he has plans already?
my fb post are only visible for those people that i want


And everyone who pays fb for that info. Like insurance companies.

Hope you never checked the internet for some weird disease when you were interested in what it was, because it's in your data profile now. It may make your insurance more expensive.
25/10/2018 07:35Posted by Hthonia

to Espanca about the "lieing scenario" why be mad to someone if he has plans already?


That's my point, plans are plans, this isn't the 80's anymore when anyone who enjoyed playing videogames was seen as some sort of alien and less than for example someone who enjoyed a outdoor activity
23/10/2018 12:23Posted by Punyelf
Except data from a game is not private. You have no right or expectation to privacy about game statistics.


From https://www.blizzard.com/en-gb/legal/8c41e7e6-0b61-42c4-a674-c91d8e8d68d3/blizzard-entertainment-privacy-policy

We collect data related to: your game play and in-game activity, the services that you use and how you use them, and your devices and activities when you install or access our services.


We keep records as support for any actual or anticipated legal matter for up to 7 years.


From raider.io

We will only keep your personal information for as long as it is necessary for the purposes set out in this privacy policy, unless a longer retention period is required or permitted by law (such as tax, accounting or other legal requirements). No purpose in this policy will require us keeping your personal information for longer than 2 years past the termination of the user's account.


Two things I note from this and that is that data is considered private by each entity.

Interestingly, the information given by Blizzard would mean that Raider.io must delete ANY data that's older than seven years relating to any player using the site OR any other player's data they intentionally or accidentally capture. So as of 25 October 2018 that will mean that NEITHER entity can have data on record older than 24 October 2011.

In the case of Raider.io it would mean they cannot have the data on file of a player who stopped using their site for intended purpose for more than two years past today (that would mean if a person terminates today, that all data has to be gone by 25 October 2020).

Because of GDPR the situation becomes more complex. A player IS entitles to know, see and gain access to data held on file by a company. This regulation is effective worldwide, and is one of the reasons why EU citizens may encounter US sites where it shows the message that they cannot see the site because of the company behind the site having to update their privacy policy in compliance with GDPR.

Both Blizzard AND Raider.io, because each deals with personal data, have to comply with GDPR. And GDPR is a legal requirement with a wide impact on how companies operate when they have customers so please don't be dismissive of it.

Now comes the interesting and unanswered questions in this situation. If Blizzard's policy is for data to only be kept 7 years, does it mean that Raider.io has to keep data in a similar fashion? It's a question only found in the policies relating to the creation of applications, and I'm certain that something in them tells the creator of a site that uses some or all of Blizzard's data (the publicly available data that is) that they have to comply with Blizzard's own policies as published, and that would include Blizzard's privacy policy.

So based on this is the suggestion from Raider.io to be allowed to keep data up to two years after an account termination on their site valid? Only a lawyer can answer that properly and I hope their sake they are complying with GDPR and the policies Blizzard sets out.

Now add into the mixture the "privacy setting." This could be considered, perhaps, as a "soft account termination". Because essentially the moment you do this action you're not using the site for its purpose. It would be interesting to know whether this also means the two years kicks in.

Just a reminder that "privacy" and "data protection" are highly specialist subjects requiring legal knowledge (which I do have access to because my publishing company deals also with personal data and I have access to legal specialists to make certain I comply with GDPR and other data protection laws).

This isn't a topic that's a simple "do I keep my raiding data hidden or not" because at the core of it the data, your personal playing history - i.e. the "game play and in-game activity" can also be considered protected by privacy laws and/or regulations. It's not so much a case of whether other players are entitled to it, but more a case of "is either business allowed to share this data" and "how much of the collected data can be shared with others"? So if a person says "No, I don't want other players to know this or that part of the data" then it's not you (the other player) who can decide that somehow that person is hiding something. The business in question with the data (Blizzard OR Raider.io... Raider.io IS a business if you scroll down on the pages on the site) has to comply with the request. It's this reason, perhaps, why Blizzard stopped showing the "latest progress feed" for players on the Armory. It's also the likely reason WHY Raider.io allows its user to put data to a private mode. Neither is doing it for just fun because they know this data is part of what forms the "personal data" and they have to show compliance with the laws and regulations that dictate it to be KEPT PRIVATE by the request of the player in question. That's the reason it's private. Not because of some stupid reasoning of "hiding M+ skill" which can be determined anyway in game if you're smart enough to see skill for what it is rather than always relying on numbers... and cue the video that probably started all this crazy talk of "numbers matter"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufeEAxz1AH8
25/10/2018 09:18Posted by Espanca
25/10/2018 07:35Posted by Hthonia

to Espanca about the "lieing scenario" why be mad to someone if he has plans already?


That's my point, plans are plans, this isn't the 80's anymore when anyone who enjoyed playing videogames was seen as some sort of alien and less than for example someone who enjoyed a outdoor activity


it's exactly like the 80s where i am from, if i tell someone that i want to play instead of going out for beers they will look at me like i'm some kind of alien
it's not a question of what you enjoy doing the most, they all play games now, in their phones, in facebook or whatever.
it's more of a thing like "you prefer a video game over me?"
yes i do, i prefer video games over a whole lot of people, and i don't want to tell that in their faces because they won't understand and i might need a favor in the future or something :P
25/10/2018 07:35Posted by Hthonia
oh look son, it's another "you agreed to this" and "blizzard dindu nothing" post
much interesting input! thx again! but i think i will still keep fighting for standard 2018 options whenever i have the chance

here's another priceless jewel
"The whole conspiricay theory paranoia brought up into this is simply pathetic and pity inducing, I'm actually sorry I called someone not that important because the way they talk makes them look like they have extreme issues."

i'm reminding again, all i asked for is: an option for private profiles, steam has it, overwatch has it, but this is extreme conspiracy paranoia and i have extreme issues.
you look upon me like i am an alien because i want something that's pretty much industry standard? yeah i'm the only one with the "extreme issues"...lmao

to Espanca about the "lieing scenario" why be mad to someone if he has plans already?


And we just Said don't Come cry if you get declined after declined.
25/10/2018 10:34Posted by Grômmar
25/10/2018 07:35Posted by Hthonia
oh look son, it's another "you agreed to this" and "blizzard dindu nothing" post
much interesting input! thx again! but i think i will still keep fighting for standard 2018 options whenever i have the chance

here's another priceless jewel
"The whole conspiricay theory paranoia brought up into this is simply pathetic and pity inducing, I'm actually sorry I called someone not that important because the way they talk makes them look like they have extreme issues."

i'm reminding again, all i asked for is: an option for private profiles, steam has it, overwatch has it, but this is extreme conspiracy paranoia and i have extreme issues.
you look upon me like i am an alien because i want something that's pretty much industry standard? yeah i'm the only one with the "extreme issues"...lmao

to Espanca about the "lieing scenario" why be mad to someone if he has plans already?


And we just Said don't Come cry if you get declined after declined.


what if i told you that if i apply to your group and you don't invite me in less than 30 seconds i then decline you?
it's all cool friend, just give me the option and i'll be happy with the instant declines.

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