How to set raider io to private

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25/10/2018 10:49Posted by Hthonia
25/10/2018 10:34Posted by Grômmar
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And we just Said don't Come cry if you get declined after declined.


what if i told you that if i apply to your group and you don't invite me in less than 30 seconds i then decline you?
it's all cool friend, just give me the option and i'll be happy with the instant declines.


I Will perfectly fine with that too.

But don't forget we live with people who live in unicorn land.xd
25/10/2018 10:15Posted by Shayrala
Interestingly, the information given by Blizzard would mean that Raider.io must delete ANY data that's older than seven years relating to any player using the site OR any other player's data they intentionally or accidentally capture. So as of 25 October 2018 that will mean that NEITHER entity can have data on record older than 24 October 2011.


I don't think that is how the fragment is read. For example, in my job, I am supposed to keep copies of documentations for 5 years, to be available for control by the authorities. It doesn't mean that after 5 years I have to delete them. It just means that up to 5 years I can be held liable for not having them available for control. That is how Blizzard also says "for any actual or anticipated legal matter". That data can be used in legal matters for up to 7 years, after that it's no longer considered valid, but it doesn't mean the data is deleted. You have achievements on your character page that are older than 7 years if you played back then - that data doesn't get deleted (pretty sure a lot of people would actually be angry if their feat of strength would be deleted).

Regarding GDPR, I can't recall exactly, but pretty sure we got a GDPR agreement from blizzard to accept when GDPR became a requirement.

Off-topic, I noticed all Legion m+ scores from wowprogress have been deleted. Raider.io goes back to 7.2, but doesn't have data pre-7.2 (and there was such, since we have Cathedral and Kara in the 7.2, and those were not available from the start).
I dont care about r.io but seem pretty wrog that to make your profile private you have to register, instead it should be that you register to use their services.
How about delete that annoying elitist crap.
23/10/2018 12:23Posted by Punyelf
Except data from a game is not private. You have no right or expectation to privacy about game statistics.


From https://www.blizzard.com/en-gb/legal/8c41e7e6-0b61-42c4-a674-c91d8e8d68d3/blizzard-entertainment-privacy-policy

We collect data related to: your game play and in-game activity, the services that you use and how you use them, and your devices and activities when you install or access our services.


We keep records as support for any actual or anticipated legal matter for up to 7 years.


From raider.io

We will only keep your personal information for as long as it is necessary for the purposes set out in this privacy policy, unless a longer retention period is required or permitted by law (such as tax, accounting or other legal requirements). No purpose in this policy will require us keeping your personal information for longer than 2 years past the termination of the user's account.


Two things I note from this and that is that data is considered private by each entity.

Interestingly, the information given by Blizzard would mean that Raider.io must delete ANY data that's older than seven years relating to any player using the site OR any other player's data they intentionally or accidentally capture. So as of 25 October 2018 that will mean that NEITHER entity can have data on record older than 24 October 2011.

In the case of Raider.io it would mean they cannot have the data on file of a player who stopped using their site for intended purpose for more than two years past today (that would mean if a person terminates today, that all data has to be gone by 25 October 2020).

Because of GDPR the situation becomes more complex. A player IS entitles to know, see and gain access to data held on file by a company. This regulation is effective worldwide, and is one of the reasons why EU citizens may encounter US sites where it shows the message that they cannot see the site because of the company behind the site having to update their privacy policy in compliance with GDPR.

Both Blizzard AND Raider.io, because each deals with personal data, have to comply with GDPR. And GDPR is a legal requirement with a wide impact on how companies operate when they have customers so please don't be dismissive of it.

Now comes the interesting and unanswered questions in this situation. If Blizzard's policy is for data to only be kept 7 years, does it mean that Raider.io has to keep data in a similar fashion? It's a question only found in the policies relating to the creation of applications, and I'm certain that something in them tells the creator of a site that uses some or all of Blizzard's data (the publicly available data that is) that they have to comply with Blizzard's own policies as published, and that would include Blizzard's privacy policy.

So based on this is the suggestion from Raider.io to be allowed to keep data up to two years after an account termination on their site valid? Only a lawyer can answer that properly and I hope their sake they are complying with GDPR and the policies Blizzard sets out.

Now add into the mixture the "privacy setting." This could be considered, perhaps, as a "soft account termination". Because essentially the moment you do this action you're not using the site for its purpose. It would be interesting to know whether this also means the two years kicks in.

Just a reminder that "privacy" and "data protection" are highly specialist subjects requiring legal knowledge (which I do have access to because my publishing company deals also with personal data and I have access to legal specialists to make certain I comply with GDPR and other data protection laws).

This isn't a topic that's a simple "do I keep my raiding data hidden or not" because at the core of it the data, your personal playing history - i.e. the "game play and in-game activity" can also be considered protected by privacy laws and/or regulations. It's not so much a case of whether other players are entitled to it, but more a case of "is either business allowed to share this data" and "how much of the collected data can be shared with others"? So if a person says "No, I don't want other players to know this or that part of the data" then it's not you (the other player) who can decide that somehow that person is hiding something. The business in question with the data (Blizzard OR Raider.io... Raider.io IS a business if you scroll down on the pages on the site) has to comply with the request. It's this reason, perhaps, why Blizzard stopped showing the "latest progress feed" for players on the Armory. It's also the likely reason WHY Raider.io allows its user to put data to a private mode. Neither is doing it for just fun because they know this data is part of what forms the "personal data" and they have to show compliance


I wish people would stop with thesis like posts like this. You can read terms and conditions and laws until you are blue in the face but you lack fundamental understanding of the foundations (the law applies to personar data -what is this?)

Raider.io. can keep information on m+ runs until the heat death of the universe in 33 trillion years if they want to becuase it isn't personal data.

If people here -and you know who you are- are going to bleat on about GDPR then understand exactly what personal data is because that's what gdpr covers.

Deja ran a +2 isn't personal data.
The problem I have with this system is similar to Gearscore back then although raider.io is much more sophisticated and close to the matter: It's no Elo. Gearscore was Carryscore. Raider.io is basically reflecting either activity or skill or both. A high skill could just be of social nature or in fact classic APM-/spatial awareness related or having had a very good healer in critical moments.

If I don't have the possibility to participate in M+ and are stuck because of different work-life balance, long periods of illness or anything that's impacting your capability to run anything that is related to an instance then the score will be pretty low, same as having no focused interest on WoW alone. Unfortunately that space is then shared with people who in all honesty aren't cutting it.

A real score would take into account how often you managed to deny, avoid and suppress while doing your job as well.

If there was a real matchmaking system in place things would fall into place without players attempting to segregate and segment their own playerbase and thus creating an atmosphere of toxicity. An unpopular opinion I am aware of that.
25/10/2018 11:42Posted by Versorius
How about delete that annoying elitist crap.


Yeah sure, delete raider.io and you will kill pugging above, lets say, 7? Is this what you want? Kill Pugs?
25/10/2018 12:09Posted by Dejarous
I wish people would stop with thesis like posts like this. You can read terms and conditions and laws until you are blue in the face but you lack fundamental understanding of the foundations (the law applies to personar data -what is this?)

Raider.io. can keep information on m+ runs until the heat death of the universe in 33 trillion years if they want to becuase it isn't personal data.

If people here -and you know who you are- are going to bleat on about GDPR then understand exactly what personal data is because that's what gdpr covers.

Deja ran a +2 isn't personal data.


I wish more had this kind of common sense!
25/10/2018 13:00Posted by Arenko
25/10/2018 11:42Posted by Versorius
How about delete that annoying elitist crap.


Yeah sure, delete raider.io and you will kill pugging above, lets say, 7? Is this what you want? Kill Pugs?


Raider.io is what kills pugs.
25/10/2018 14:35Posted by Versorius
25/10/2018 13:00Posted by Arenko
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Yeah sure, delete raider.io and you will kill pugging above, lets say, 7? Is this what you want? Kill Pugs?


Raider.io is what kills pugs.


People on Keys +7 or higher will not take the risk to invite a stranger with not a single insight to what they have done. It's like rng, person could be great or person could be utterly garbage.
25/10/2018 14:35Posted by Versorius
Raider.io is what kills pugs.


I'd really like to know what your vision of pugging mythic+ is without something like raider.io. Or anyone from the anti-raider.io crowd can answer really.

Say they banned or blocked raider.io tomorrow, how do you see people picking other people for higher level keys? Purely on ilvl? Completely at random?

Why is it you believe that having less information about who you are inviting to a group would result in you personally getting into more groups?

For the sake of argument, let's say you do get into more groups, would that be worth having most of those groups end in utter failure because the people couldn't handle the dungeon?

I'm genuinely curious because the anti-raider.io players don't seem to ever answer these questions or have any explanation for how exactly things would be better without it.

Please, one of you guys explain to me the link between removing raider.io scores from people and you personally getting into more groups. Why are they going to invite you and not the guy that got one more lucky titanforge if ilvl is all they have to go off?

Why is the removal of raider.io worth making literally thousands of dungeon runs much worse? Effectively introducing RNG to higher level keys by making it entirely random whether your group has the slightest clue what they are doing in that dungeon at that level.
Imagine being that !@#$ at the game that you have to hide something that is common place xD Y I K E S
23/10/2018 01:04Posted by Hthonia
23/10/2018 00:51Posted by Tokiri
Cool, so now the GDPR knights can go make their profile private and stop with the silly privacy excuse.


why would anyone "woke with the privacy" will stop after this?
to hide my profile i need to give rio my ip, my battle tag and my email address for verification, none of the above is acceptable, i shouldn't be doing anything to hide this. blizzard is responsible to give me an option to hide this, through THEIR INTERFACE


Preach.. I can't believe that it's not the case already :S
25/10/2018 14:57Posted by Stepal
Please, one of you guys explain to me the link between removing raider.io scores from people and you personally getting into more groups. Why are they going to invite you and not the guy that got one more lucky titanforge if ilvl is all they have to go off?


I think there is very simplystic explanation behind this.
"I am a experienced WoW player" + "I got mine 365 ilvl from Uldir/PvP/BG/TF procs" => why to fck I'd go Freehold +2 first, 360's are doing +9 bruh and ffs, it's just a dungeon huh?! Many ppl still consider M+ encounter as a dungeon HC with upscaled HP/DMG which isn't the case. It's nothing rare to see high ilvl low rio players fail hard good thing is they usually say sorry, they ask, i explain and we eventually make it in the end.
If you people that never ran high level keys think that with the removal of r.io you will get in a group for high keys, you are totally wrong.
Let's say tomorrow raider.io shuts down. I can see this happening:
- People who want to run a +10 will invite ONLY people with M10 gear, not high item level, M10 GEAR. Why so? because with all the titanforged flying around ilvl means nothing. Nobody cares if you got a M4 380 titanforged, it's a show of luck and not content cleared.
- People will ask for your M10 in time achievement, and heroic curve achievement.
- People will start making communities for only selected "good" players to run mythics together.
- People will ask you the key points of the strategy for every boss and affixes.
- People will ask for your raid logs.
I could go on until tomorrow with metrics to judge players.

So this brings to (point by point):
- Not only you have to clear the M10 dungeons, but you also have to get loot from them!
- You will be forced to get get timed run achievement and heroic curve.
- You will have to work on your M+ reputation to get in one of these elite mythic communities
- You will have to explain the strats
- You will be forced to run heroic raids to get good logs.
And so on.
All things that right now are NOT needed, because we have raider.io that sums everything up.
And if you think about it, raider.io is an approximate sum of all these points together. Removing it will make the situation even worse.

No one wants to carry people, No one wants to waste hours of their life to gamble on people invited in the party that might be bad, in every wow expansion there was ALWAYS a metric to judge players.
Even in vanilla you were judged, we didn't need item level because there were no transmogs and titanforged crap, and people could judge your achievements just by looking at your character from the distance.
25/10/2018 17:12Posted by Tokiri

- People will

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none of that will happen because most of the "elite" (talking about the 10-15 range) players are too lazy!
if they weren't they'd be asking this TODAY
"key points of the strategy for every boss and affixes."

some players go through a whole expansion not knowing what some ability does exactly, they dont know how to react simply because they never got "focused" or the healer bailed them out of the fail the few times that they got focused so they never had to learn how and why
you can complete freehold 10+ in time 5 times and die 5 times on the sharks right there at the last seconds....not knowing why and thinking it was the healer's fault
having the achievement or simply registering 15 10+s ontime does not mean you understand anything about the encounter though
mimicing others does not mean you did homework! that 900-1400 score at best means that you can mimic and do a choreography, not that you understand what's going or that you can adapt, i don't want rio to be "removed" but don't try to paint ppl who do 10-15 keys as "elite"...lmao
25/10/2018 19:33Posted by Hthonia
25/10/2018 17:12Posted by Tokiri

- People will


none of that will happen because most of the "elite" (talking about the 10-15 range) players are too lazy!
if they weren't they'd be asking this TODAY
"key points of the strategy for every boss and affixes."

some players go through a whole expansion not knowing what some ability does exactly, they dont know how to react simply because they never got "focused" or the healer bailed them out of the fail the few times that they got focused so they never had to learn how and why
you can complete freehold 10+ in time 5 times and die 5 times on the sharks right there at the last seconds....not knowing why and thinking it was the healer's fault
having the achievement or simply registering 15 10+s ontime does not mean you understand anything about the encounter though
mimicing others does not mean you did homework! that 900-1400 score at best means that you can mimic and do a choreography, not that you understand what's going or that you can adapt, i don't want rio to be "removed" but don't try to paint ppl who do 10-15 keys as "elite"...lmao

I was there for every expansion and I know what people asked and will ask, if it gets removed, fine. I have been on the side of the "declined" for a while.
You are the ones that paint people as elitists everytime btw, I'm just using your terms to make you understand what will happen.
You made exactly my point, with r.io people don't bother asking for mechanics because they will assume you already know them, so it's actually easier to get in with r.io score, even if you don't know why you died 5 times on shark boss.
Still, it won't change anything, believe what you want. Don't really wanna keep arguing on this since it's pointless.
The fact that you have to register to OPT OUT is insanity.
How in any way is that okay?!
25/10/2018 22:23Posted by Tahra
The fact that you have to register to OPT OUT is insanity.
How in any way is that okay?!


It's information that is freely available to anyone on the internet from sources other than raider.io

What raider.io are saying is "If you don't want us to show it, register to prove its your character and we won't". It's perfectly reasonable.
Why would you even waste your time opting out, it won't change anything other than you not even being considered on the most basic level by the people using raider io, who you would only opt out to protest against.

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