Inc Combat Res in Arena for patch 8.1

Arenas
Retribution --> PvP Talents

NEW Ultimate Retribution <NYI> When an ally within 40 yards falls below 25% health, you gain Avenging Wrath for 6 sec.
When an ally is slain within 40 yards of you, your Redemption spell can now be cast while in combat within the next 20 sec. Using Divine Shield or Blessing of Protection on yourself will cancel this effect.


Time to reroll Ret bois!

https://www.wowhead.com/news=288207/comprehensive-azerite-and-class-changes-for-patch-8-1-tides-of-vengeance
10 sec cast

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=7328/redemption
Doesnt seem good even my ress totem is better.
27/10/2018 12:06Posted by Sammexx
Retribution --> PvP Talents

NEW Ultimate Retribution <NYI> When an ally within 40 yards falls below 25% health, you gain Avenging Wrath for 6 sec.
When an ally is slain within 40 yards of you, your Redemption spell can now be cast while in combat within the next 20 sec. Using Divine Shield or Blessing of Protection on yourself will cancel this effect.


Time to reroll Ret bois!

https://www.wowhead.com/news=288207/comprehensive-azerite-and-class-changes-for-patch-8-1-tides-of-vengeance


If someone let ret ress someone with 10s cast, uninstall.
Jebait pvp tal, cant imagne how you cast a 10 sec spell.
27/10/2018 13:14Posted by Meldô
10 sec cast

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=7328/redemption


0% haste = 10 sec cast. Now imagine having stacked haste gear, gems, enchants, with an on-use-trinket with haste. that 10 sec cast could go as low as 6 seconds.
27/10/2018 18:56Posted by Sammexx
27/10/2018 13:14Posted by Meldô
10 sec cast

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=7328/redemption


0% haste = 10 sec cast. Now imagine having stacked haste gear, gems, enchants, with an on-use-trinket with haste. that 10 sec cast could go as low as 6 seconds.


Still possible only vs worst players in the world
It's funny.

With all that !@#$ that's going on in arena and all those balancing problems that have not been fixed after months into the expansion they rather make stupid, unneccessary changes like giving ret a %^-*ing infight rezz instead of focussing on the actual problems.

Every ret that manages to infight rezz someone should get a nobel prize.
27/10/2018 12:06Posted by Sammexx
Time to reroll Ret bois!


Yes, because it's so easy to get a 10 seconds cast off when the enemy team is training you and you only have a 20 seconds span window while using DS/BoP will completely negate it.

#Forum_Logic_2k18

27/10/2018 13:14Posted by Meldô
10 sec cast

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=7328/redemption


27/10/2018 13:24Posted by Mimikyú
Doesnt seem good even my ress totem is better.


27/10/2018 13:44Posted by Crîpxoo
If someone let ret ress someone with 10s cast, uninstall.


27/10/2018 13:47Posted by Vanhalisha
Jebait pvp tal, cant imagne how you cast a 10 sec spell.


27/10/2018 18:57Posted by Korolev
Still possible only vs worst players in the world


Is that... Is that common sense I see?
Imagine losing to this

smh
I'm more shocked at the fact that wasted dev time went into this rather than actually working on the game.
27/10/2018 19:58Posted by Hollowinside
27/10/2018 12:06Posted by Sammexx
Time to reroll Ret bois!


Yes, because it's so easy to get a 10 seconds cast off when the enemy team is training you and you only have a 20 seconds span window while using DS/BoP will completely negate it.

#Forum_Logic_2k18

27/10/2018 13:14Posted by Meldô
10 sec cast

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=7328/redemption


27/10/2018 13:24Posted by Mimikyú
Doesnt seem good even my ress totem is better.


27/10/2018 13:44Posted by Crîpxoo
If someone let ret ress someone with 10s cast, uninstall.


27/10/2018 13:47Posted by Vanhalisha
Jebait pvp tal, cant imagne how you cast a 10 sec spell.


27/10/2018 18:57Posted by Korolev
Still possible only vs worst players in the world


Is that... Is that common sense I see?


Your logic in 2018 is embarrassing...

0% haste = 10 sec cast. Now imagine having stacked haste gear, gems, enchants, with an on-use-trinket with haste. that 10 sec cast could go as low as 6 seconds.

There are many possible situations in 2s, 3s & rbgs, that will allow clever ret players to get that "ninja combat res". One cross cc on the enemy team might be enough to pull this trick off. For example just a simple Ursol's Vortex might be enough.

Ursol's Vortex
30 yd range
Instant
1 min cooldown

Conjures a vortex of wind for 10 sec at the destination, reducing the movement speed of all enemies within 8 yards by 50%. The first time an enemy attempts to leave the vortex, winds will pull that enemy back to its center. Usable in all shapeshift forms.
27/10/2018 21:33Posted by Sammexx
There are many possible situations in 2s, 3s & rbgs, that will allow clever ret players to get that "ninja combat res". One cross cc on the enemy team might be enough to pull this trick off. For example just a simple Ursol's Vortex might be enough.

there are definately situations where your team can pull cross CC to every enemy member for over 6 seconds, true

but it's getting hard when one of you is actually casting 6 sec... and even more hard when you actually take into account what you're trying for
ress a member

thus you're probably 2v3 with one of you dead, one of you casting and now you expect third member to cross CC 3 enemy members

good luck with that
27/10/2018 21:33Posted by Sammexx
Your logic in 2018 is embarrassing...

0% haste = 10 sec cast. Now imagine having stacked haste gear, gems, enchants, with an on-use-trinket with haste. that 10 sec cast could go as low as 6 seconds.


U stupit son.

With as much as 30% Haste (Inquisition Haste included) the cast actually drops down to 7.9 sec cast from 10 seconds. But even if it was 6, it's still a very situational thing which is rarely going to turn the tides in your favor.

And if people do get this cast off vs you in arena, it's just a L2P issue on your part tbh.

But sure, go reroll Ret and don't forget to let me know how many times this talent won you Arena games! XDDDDDDd

EDIT: With 36% Haste (so 6% more Haste than previously) the cast time only drops by 0,6 seconds.

https://i.gyazo.com/d5cf72258d6557a9bf1523bd48d775cc.jpg

Which means you would need close to like 50% Haste to pull this off as a 6 seconds cast and that's IF the stars align correctly for you to pull this off, and IF you manage to get the cast through getting trained.
27/10/2018 21:33Posted by Sammexx
27/10/2018 19:58Posted by Hollowinside
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Yes, because it's so easy to get a 10 seconds cast off when the enemy team is training you and you only have a 20 seconds span window while using DS/BoP will completely negate it.

#Forum_Logic_2k18

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Is that... Is that common sense I see?


Your logic in 2018 is embarrassing...

0% haste = 10 sec cast. Now imagine having stacked haste gear, gems, enchants, with an on-use-trinket with haste. that 10 sec cast could go as low as 6 seconds.

There are many possible situations in 2s, 3s & rbgs, that will allow clever ret players to get that "ninja combat res". One cross cc on the enemy team might be enough to pull this trick off. For example just a simple Ursol's Vortex might be enough.

Ursol's Vortex
30 yd range
Instant
1 min cooldown

Conjures a vortex of wind for 10 sec at the destination, reducing the movement speed of all enemies within 8 yards by 50%. The first time an enemy attempts to leave the vortex, winds will pull that enemy back to its center. Usable in all shapeshift forms.
who in the fkn World would use an on use trinket for bs like this? In every possible situation you will have this trinket in cd because you used it for burst.

But i guess on 1400 you save your haste trinket if someone in your team dies.

Don't rets use Str trinkets anyway?
27/10/2018 22:14Posted by Bloodlock
who in the fkn World would use an on use trinket for bs like this? In every possible situation you will have this trinket in cd because you used it for burst.

But i guess on 1400 you save your haste trinket if someone in your team dies.


This! xD Apparently where he's playing, "clever Rets" save every single cd and pop it all to get a combat res in case they can get a "ninja res".

27/10/2018 22:14Posted by Bloodlock
Don't rets use Str trinkets anyway?


Yes. Badge trinket is BiS for PvP atm. 2nd trinket varies depending on what you play.
Cool talent for Battlegrounds (and Warmode even). Lots of opportunity to get the Avenging Wrath proc, because you have more allies. And a lot of battlegrounds provide lots of terrain that can let you resurrect someone in a forward position (enemy base in WSG, towers in AV, keep in IoC, Blacksmith in AB, etc.).

Wouldn't say it's a talent that's likely to see much use in Arenas though.
Imagine letting a mage cast 2 back to back greater pyros on you in a 3v2 situation

now imagine that mage being a ret pally with none of the mobility or CC of a mage
27/10/2018 22:14Posted by Bloodlock
Don't rets use Str trinkets anyway?


1 trinket on use with 2 min CD STR effect for wings, and the second, free use (can be another on use for Hammer of reckoning or pasive proc)

BTW, 50% or more haste is near to imposible to set up, because its RNG by enchant and others procs with azerite traits.
27/10/2018 20:54Posted by Dameg
I'm more shocked at the fact that wasted dev time went into this rather than actually working on the game.


One really has to wonder. The only places this will see any use is in bg's and world PvP as a group. Even then people are likely to just release and ress in bg's before the ret pala's cast goes through.

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