Would the Loa/Wild Gods...

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...take a side?

If the Zandalari and the Night elves came to fight each other directly, would for example Bwonsamdi and Cenarius fight each other?
Goldrinn and Kimbul? Or Krag’wa and Ursoc?

Must say it would be awesome witnessing it.
Well, technically Cenarius, Goldrinn and Ursoc are 'dead', they are spirits reforming in the Emerald Dream now, aren't they?
It's what happened with Cenarius after the orcs killed him in WC3?
I don't think that Ancients besides Cenarius could care tbh they always had their own agenda and only assisted nelves when they had to.

Loas are object of worship this is why they have strong bond with trolls.
Night elves only worship Elune.

Also Loas aren't the kind of Gods that does job for their followers, usually they assited trolls for the sake of defence. This is why they were fighting side by side with trolls during troll wars, and during Zandalar Forever.

If trolls would fall then their temples and worshippers would be gone.

Ancients didn't have this bond with nelves, they were always more about protecting their children like it's furbolgs and Ursol/Ursoc.
And about protecting their home dwelling in emerald dream.

So who knows maybe they'd be abolutely cool with trolls around and would champion them. We already know that Goldinn out of sudden started to favor Varian instead of any other night elf.
Night elves and wild gods live in harmonious co-existence rather than direct reverence and worship like the Zandalari trolls and the loa have. If the forests occupied by them both came under attack, then yes, the wild gods would fight beside the night elves against the Zanadalari trolls.

The issue is, there's not much territory left that could be described as occupied by them both. Val'sharah and Mount Hyjal are the last two places that are home to genuine wild gods and their night elven occupants are neutral as far as we know.
The loa would side with the Horde. The Wild Gods would leave the Alliance to die, like they did during WoT. Knowing how biased Blizzard is towards the Horde, the Wild Gods would likely join them.
11/11/2018 10:35Posted by Taxania
Night elves and wild gods live in harmonious co-existence rather than direct reverence and worship like the Zandalari trolls and the loa have. If the forests occupied by them both came under attack, then yes, the wild gods would fight beside the night elves against the Zanadalari trolls.


They didn't come to aid during War of Thorns, they didn't come to aid (besides Cenarius) in WC3, they didn't aid in Darkshore, and only the ones in Mount Hyjal because their home was directly assaulted by Firelords minions.
11/11/2018 10:43Posted by Zakkaru
They didn't come to aid during War of Thorns, they didn't come to aid (besides Cenarius) in WC3, they didn't aid in Darkshore, and only the ones in Mount Hyjal because their home was directly assaulted by Firelords minions.

Wild god lore wasn't properly established in WC3 and no wild god habitat was being assaulted during the War of Thorns.
11/11/2018 10:45Posted by Taxania
11/11/2018 10:43Posted by Zakkaru
They didn't come to aid during War of Thorns, they didn't come to aid (besides Cenarius) in WC3, they didn't aid in Darkshore, and only the ones in Mount Hyjal because their home was directly assaulted by Firelords minions.

Wild god lore wasn't properly established in WC3 and no wild god habitat was being assaulted during the War of Thorns.


And Zandalari wouldn't assault Wild God's habitat, quite opposite they'd offer them reverence.
That is in hypothetical situation had Zandalari actually venture into nelf lands.
But I don't think it will happen.
11/11/2018 10:35Posted by Taxania
If the forests occupied by them both came under attack, then yes, the wild gods would fight beside the night elves


Well.. They did. And like usual they were nowhere to be found because rampaging through Darkshore, purposely destroying the land to break the Wisp-wall before burning a World Tree isn't good enough reason for them to get involved it seems. Nor is the planet being mined to death but w/e.
11/11/2018 10:57Posted by Frozenshadow
Well.. They did. And like usual they were nowhere to be found because rampaging through Darkshore, purposely destroying the land to break the Wisp-wall before burning a World Tree isn't good enough reason for them to get involved it seems. Nor is the planet being mined to death but w/e.

What wild gods live in Ashenvale and Darkshore?
11/11/2018 10:35Posted by Taxania
the wild gods would fight beside the night elves against the Zanadalari trolls.


That much i do believe would happen.

But would a Loa fight directly a Night elf wild God if their interests clashed?

If Talanji were for example to fight Malfurion, and both asked for Cenarius and Bwonsamdis help, would these two fight each other to protect their interests/champions?
Nah, pitting wild gods and loa against each other would cancel them out and make them useless as plot devices. The best thing that could be hoped for would probably be a warfront/epic bg mechanic, where both sides summon a divine helper.
11/11/2018 11:03Posted by Taxania
What wild gods live in Ashenvale and Darkshore?


Well they live in Night Elven lands so they should care, unless they are arrogant enough to only care when it happens right next to them.

At the very least Cenarius should be pissed about it, and from that he should rally the Wild Gods to war. It is even stated that Sylvanas had plans to also invade Hyjal. But the war would be too unfair if the world goes to war with Sylvanas for her genocidal conquest which is killing the planet.
Isn’t cenarius’ spirit in the emerald dream recovering or whatever though?
11/11/2018 11:26Posted by Frozenshadow
Well they live in Night Elven lands so they should care, unless they are arrogant enough to only care when it happens right next to them.

At the very least Cenarius should be pissed about it, and from that he should rally the Wild Gods to war. It is even stated that Sylvanas had plans to also invade Hyjal. But the war would be too unfair if the world goes to war with Sylvanas for her genocidal conquest which is killing the planet.

Cenarius is back to being dead, no other wild god ever showed any sign of giving a damn about Ashenvale or Darkshore during any expansion. They're all either dead or they're isolationist animal-gods that don't give a damn about petty mortal wars until their lands are threatened.

11/11/2018 11:29Posted by Telriem
Isn’t cenarius’ spirit in the emerald dream recovering or whatever though?

Whenever a wild god or a loa dies, it never permanently dies. Its spirit simply retreats to the Emerald Dream where it needs time, frequently millennia to recover. Wild gods never truly die.
11/11/2018 11:31Posted by Taxania
11/11/2018 11:26Posted by Frozenshadow
Well they live in Night Elven lands so they should care, unless they are arrogant enough to only care when it happens right next to them.

At the very least Cenarius should be pissed about it, and from that he should rally the Wild Gods to war. It is even stated that Sylvanas had plans to also invade Hyjal. But the war would be too unfair if the world goes to war with Sylvanas for her genocidal conquest which is killing the planet.

Cenarius is back to being dead, no other wild god ever showed any sign of giving a damn about Ashenvale or Darkshore during any expansion. They're all either dead or they're isolationist animal-gods that don't give a damn about petty mortal wars until their lands are threatened.

11/11/2018 11:29Posted by Telriem
Isn’t cenarius’ spirit in the emerald dream recovering or whatever though?

Whenever a wild god or a loa dies, it never permanently dies. Its spirit simply retreats to the Emerald Dream where it needs time, frequently millennia to recover. Wild gods never truly die.


Loa go to the emerald dream upon death too?

I know they didn’t truly die forever, I just didn’t know that their spirit would go to the emerald dream.
Cenarius is back to being dead, no other wild god ever showed any sign of giving a damn about Ashenvale or Darkshore during any expansion. They're all either dead or they're isolationist animal-gods that don't give a damn about petty mortal wars until their lands are threatened.


Cenarius still can contact through the Emerald Dream, he wouldn't put up with this sh*te the Horde has just done and should rally at the very minimum the CC against the Horde for what they have done. And from that more Wild Gods should join in. Also their land is threatened, Like before Sylvanas has said she had plans to invade Hyjal so that part comes across as dead in the water. This is not to mention Azerite mining is killing the planet which affects everyone.

I mean I think Cenarius would care that Malfurion almost died, and he would care that the Tauren Druids helped in this type of genocide, perhaps even somewhat responsible for it considering he helped them train and use Druidism for this manner.

P.S, before you bring up the Alliance also mines Azerite, it is a direct cause for you doing it and it would be suicidal not to at this point considering the Alliance are the only ones willing to stop the Horde's genocidal conquest.
11/11/2018 11:34Posted by Telriem
Loa go to the emerald dream upon death too?

I know they didn’t truly die forever, I just didn’t know that their spirit would go to the emerald dream.

The majority of loa are wild gods. The title 'loa' is also applied to other beings that trolls worship like Bwonsamdi, but whenever you run into animal loa like Rezan, Gonk, Kimbul, Krag'wa and so on? They are wild gods, just worshiped by the trolls. So yes, they go to the Emerald Dream upon death too.

11/11/2018 11:47Posted by Frozenshadow
Cenarius still can contact through the Emerald Dream, he wouldn't put up with this sh*te the Horde has just done and should rally at the very minimum the CC against the Horde for what they have done. And from that more Wild Gods should join in. Also their land is threatened, Like before Sylvanas has said she had plans to invade Hyjal so that part comes across as dead in the water. This is not to mention Azerite mining is killing the planet which affects everyone.

I mean I think Cenarius would care that Malfurion almost died, and he would care that the Tauren Druids helped in this type of genocide, perhaps even somewhat responsible for it considering he helped them train and use Druidism for this manner.

Most of Azeroth doesn't have a solid understanding of Azerite and the impact that it's having on the world. If the loa of the Zandalari aren't worried about it, I don't see why the wild gods of Mount Hyjal would be worried about it, since they're ultimately the same sorts of beings. In addition, your comment about Mount Hyjal will hold water when Sylvanas attacks it. Until that point and until their home is endangered, the wild gods won't stir.
11/11/2018 11:49Posted by Taxania
Most of Azeroth doesn't have a solid understanding of Azerite and the impact that it's having on the world. If the loa of the Zandalari aren't worried about it, I don't see why the wild gods of Mount Hyjal would be worried about it, since they're ultimately the same sorts of beings.


But you can at the very least make the excuse that the Loa are too occupied with what is going on around Zandalar to worry about the sword/Azerite right now. With the Old Gods, Blood Trolls then the coup attempts etc.. Compared to the Wild Gods who have done nothing since the Legion first attacked.

And Magni has done a piss poor job at going around alerting people about Azerite if not even the Wild Gods or just half the people what should care about it don't because they don't have a "solid understanding" on Azerite. Along with the efforts to heal Silithus etc..

11/11/2018 11:49Posted by Taxania
In addition, your comment about Mount Hyjal will hold water when Sylvanas attacks it. Until that point and until their home is endangered, the wild gods won't stir.


Still, her intentions are clear and they should act on it. Or at the very least do not support the Horde in their current activities. Too let any Horde member within a 5 mile radii from any World Tree is retarded. And the Wild Gods should be annoyed with these events, this is at the very very minimum.
The likes of Cenarius would never assist unless his lands are in danger, like Mount Hyjal. Darkshore is a night elven land, but not really a wild god one.
But i think that unlike the Zandalari Loa, Night elven wild gods don't assist in racial battles...why would they, given it's not their war, nor do they share a bond with the Night elves.

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