They need to double the amount of JP (at least) from bosses, and perhaps make it possible to send JP between toons. I have 4k JP on this toon just sitting there, which could be put to much better use on my alts.
At least now they're actually worth something, rather than a well-needed boot up the rear for people having no clue about their new alts.
I have then left the place and never looked back, I admit. :P
the reason why i want this changed is because i got alot ot other heirlooms but none for the one i wanna class i want 2 level. this is the problem
eather increas JP drop or let us trade looms for other looms
If you'd need even more heirlooms - if I remember my calculations right, after achieving the Crusader title, obtaining 95 seals (the price of most expensive heirlooms, like two handed weapons), takes about a week of dailies, without doing the ToC HC 5 man (since the jousting part is impossible to solo, and nobody wants to run it anymore), without having to rely on other players, groups which can wipe, and such. (if you can afford it, buying 310% flying skill can be handy, as there's some flying around to do - but it's perfectly doable with 280%, or even 150%, though will of course take more time)
Look for alternatives in the meantime, because this system is being looked into for 5.2. That doesn't mean it'll be certain, so I don't want to see threads about "Blizz PROMISED to change the JP system to make it easier to get LOOMS". Plus, how they change it is unknown to the playerbase.
18/12/2012 12:07Posted by MinyaNah I think they are fine, as you only need to buy heirlooms once ever, and can use it on all the characters you will make.
If only this were true, I can't use them on alts I want to make (on a different realm). I am at maximum capacity at my home realm but I want to branch out to a different realm , an leveling without heirlooms is a no-go for me.
18/12/2012 16:02Posted by TamikaI collected my JP's from converting PvP honor points. It just seemed like a quicker way to collect them for some reason.
Yup, that's one way to do it. We're also having excess Valor Points (over the weekly cap) turn into Justice Points in 5.2, which will also help. We would've liked this for 5.1 but it didn't quite make it.
19/12/2012 18:12Posted by CalthricI think more people need to realise that heirlooms are a luxury rather than a necessity. I mean, if someone is truly devoted to the idea of creating yet another character then they might as well just grin and bear it. It's not particularly difficult at this point in time, even without heirlooms.
You are right, it is not difficult to level, but I do kind of understand that for people who have played for years and seen it and done it all a dozen or more times before, even with all the nerfed XP, it can be a bit of a chore.
19/12/2012 17:50Posted by TakralusYup, that's one way to do it. We're also having excess Valor Points (over the weekly cap) turn into Justice Points in 5.2, which will also help. We would've liked this for 5.1 but it didn't quite make it.
In all due respect Takralus, why must we PvP to earn Justice Points? Our PvE gear doesn't help the PvP group at all, we die pretty quick with no resilience and no PvP Power. Get PvP gear? Why would I do that when I prefer to PvE?
The lack of Justice Points is rather annoying. There are battle stones for pets to buy costing 1000 JP, there are certain gear upgrades to buy, and more importantly, existing blue gear that needs upgrading which is only done through, yeah you guessed it, the dwindling supply of Justice Points.
Would have to agree.
I wouldnt bother with these though, the epic ones seem to drop fairly regulary from battling the master guys.
There's no must about it :) I was just highlighting an alternative suggestion someone made to get more JP. There are a few ways to go about getting heirlooms, no one is being forced to do anything in particular.
From a strictly personal point of view, when I decide to level a new character and I'd like a new heirloom or two, that becomes my new goal, and I will do whatever I can to get there. I've been known to craft myself a PvP set and get slaughtered in battlegrounds for a while to reach my goal, but I don't mind. It's a refreshing change of scenery after levelling, doing heroics, dailies and LFR for a while, and it's helping me get those valuable points towards my shiny heirloom. I even ended up enjoying PvP a bit once I got the hang of it :P
JP earnings are T.O.O L.O.W, but you will make the extra earnings come from a place many people rarely visit...the Valor Point capped room.
I'm getting annoyed by how pure and simple LOGIC is being ignored, and weird solutions making people feel annoyed or even frustrated are being planned instead...
Double the JP earned from dungeons, reduce the cost on some JP items from vendors (anything pre-Cata for example, INCLUDING heirlooms) and don't friggin' make it so that pve-players would get JP faster from doing PVP...
Me? I want old JP sets on my alts, but as much as I love playing this game I will NOT be capping VP on my main, then cap it on my alts in order to get JP for them in the fastest way...don't you see how much frustration you are building with making it this way?
Appearantly not...most alt-unfriendly expansion ever I'd say. Weird feeling to get punished for wanting to play the game in many different ways eh?