Guild lottery question.

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I would also like to draw to blizzard's attention the fact that /roll is not infact random. It's pseudo random based on a static seed. This is then manipulated to produce a pseudo random number, and a new seed which is somewhat related to the last.
If you murder a homeless person and no-one knows that you did, is it still murder?


apparently not
I would also like to draw to blizzard's attention the fact that /roll is not infact random. It's pseudo random based on a static seed. This is then manipulated to produce a pseudo random number, and a new seed which is somewhat related to the last.


Too many smart words... didn't understand !@#$ :(
I don't think there's anything in eu laws prohibiting free lottery as opposed to gambling with money. Neither against giveaways. I mean, there isn't a lick of difference if I rolled 1-100 to randomly determine a winner for my 500g price than if I was just to give said money to random person without using such a roll.
Does this mean tarot cards are sort've against the rules? :P
As Dottie states abvove, the laws in the US differ from the EU. Promoting gambling in a 12+ game in the EU is forbidden by law. US legislation however is more relaxed in this area.


But thankfully we don't have as many hangups about boobs as the poor americans do. The world's largest producer of so-called adult entertainment, but they can't watch even a totally non-sexual nude scene on the TV before 2200 or so.;-)
If you murder a homeless person and no-one knows that you did, is it still murder?


It's only murder if they find a body. Or have reason to believe they have been murdered. Otherwise they are just missing.
TBH I think most off you miss the point, the game is aimed at 12 + in UK and yeah fortune cards do promote gambling in a way, its a modern day tombola, and I love them and gambling, I have complained to blizz b4 about this, as I don't want others to think they have to, but with modern times, and people being pressed for stuff, for them to have to promote gambling , as a way for others to make money......

The game is full of RnG as it is, with out this crock
Hiya, anything involving gambling based on a random factor is against the rules. If it relies on skill, it's okay. So you could have an arrangement between friends that whoever wins a duel or a quiz for example will win some gold, but taking a collection then deciding the winner with a /roll or other random method is a no-no unfortunately.

Overall though, anything involving giving gold to other players is risky, as we usually can't help if there are any disputes.


That is not true, gambling based on a random factor is allowed.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=60838
so... what about gambling our time for a raid in hope of a drop then having to roll for it ? isn't that a gamble ?


How exactly do you gamble your time? Time is not tangible, what's next gambling your hopes and dreams, yes here let me take those off you and go on a mad shopping spree, here cashier *shows palms of hands* I have this guy's hopes in one hand and his dreams in the other, please take them as payment
While we are on the topic of gambling, what about the things Method do? You pay gold a gold fee to get onto a raid with the ability to roll once on a mount, surely that's gambling as someone is paying just to roll on loot
ok
looks like everyone forgot a certain monkey on timeless isles with a large amount of locked chests :P but overall I would say wow does not promote gambling , some things you need a chance to win or it would be boreing.
That is not true, gambling based on a random factor is allowed.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=60838


The card is predetermined when you create it. It isn't random when you open it.
And what about /roll in a guild raid? Pretty much the same but i dont suppose it's against the rules? :)
Gambling is only allowed if it was designed by Blizzard. Those mysterious fortune card is like the very definition of the word gambling.
That is not true, gambling based on a random factor is allowed.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=60838


The card is predetermined when you create it. It isn't random when you open it.


Following that logic, neither is any game of chance involving cards among other things.

At the end of the day, Blizzard are being hypocrites here. They disallow games of chance, but have their own games of chance everywhere in the game.

Tarot cards, the chest minigame on the Timeless Isles, arguably even loot rolls since you put in an investment of time in order for a chance (vague but hey - We're shooting for bust here)
Hiya, anything involving gambling based on a random factor is against the rules. If it relies on skill, it's okay. So you could have an arrangement between friends that whoever wins a duel or a quiz for example will win some gold, but taking a collection then deciding the winner with a /roll or other random method is a no-no unfortunately.

Overall though, anything involving giving gold to other players is risky, as we usually can't help if there are any disputes.


So the rules have changed? There are plenty of blue posts stating that "random factor" gambling of gold in-game is not against the rules. It is not insured against getting scammed though.

This is from a blue post on a thread asking if in-game /roll casinos were legal, by Roraks on the US forums:

Correct!
Running them is fine. Advertising for them is not.

Please also keep in mind, Korthok, that these transactions are not supported. Participating in a casino is done so at the player's own discretion.

Should you notice any advertisements in game, feel free to report them via an in game petition.


Seems to contradict the blue on this thread.


The US allow but the EU does not allow - simple!
That is not true, gambling based on a random factor is allowed.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=60838


The card is predetermined when you create it. It isn't random when you open it.


Makes no difference at all, since it is unknown. It is gambling.

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