Forsaken and Blood Elves

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Allies since Burning Crusade firstly out of convenience.

The Forsaken have helped the Blood Elves more then any race in the Horde,from my knowledge the Elves didn't do anything against the Forsaken so far.
A very unlikely and interesting alliance,i would like to see more story based around these 2 races.

What do you think it will happen in the future ? The forsaken are looked down upon by many Horde races and are not really loved or trusted ,kinda the same for the Blood elves.

If the Forsaken would take a step further with their plan of conquering more land using blight and so on,would the Elves repay them in kindness because they got help in Ghostlands or repay them in blood?
Lor'themar argues with Sylvanas a bit in Siege of Orgrimmar,its just for the show or hints to something greater in the future ?
For now, Forsaken and Blood Elves aren't best friends in my opinion. It's true the Forsaken helped the Blood Elves in the Ghostlands in the past, but it's also true that Sylvanas blackmailed them right before the war of Northrend, when the Blood Elves had just come out of a dangerous civil war.

Then, as you say, Lor'themar ignored Sylvanas completely in Tides of War and he argues with her -even physically threatening her of death- during Siege of Orgrimmar.

I think it hints to something bigger in the future between Forsaken and Blood Elves. Possibly a rivalry between the two races or even a fracture between the two. In my opinion, it seems that Lor'themar and his people are nearer Vol'Jin and the Western Horde rather than Sylvanas for now. Surely, Lor'themar and the Blood Elves don't want to be used, abused and blackmailed by the Forsaken anymore so i think they are slowly becoming more indipendent and distant from Sylvanas for this reason. I also don't think the Blood Elves would actually intervene to help the Forsaken in a possible future war against the Alliance, unless Quel'thalas itself will be threatened.
They're a bit uneasy at the moment, but I don't think anything serious will come of it. Since the Forsaken and the Blood Elves are the top dogs of the Horde right now it would be foolish for them to fall into disarray.

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For a second there I thought the OP was Elysa, just a similar mog.
I partly agree with you, Elysa.

However, I don't think the Sin'dorei are closer to the western Horde then they are to the Forsaken, I think they're moving more and more towards somesort of neutrality(but that can't, sadly, be truely shown ingame).

Sure, they assisted the Horde against the Horde in Orgrimmar, but only a few weeks/days before that they where close to abandoning the Horde in its entirety, in favour of the Alliance(wich, also, couldn't really be done because of gameplay D:), wich was stopped (unwittingly) by Dalaran and the Silver Covenant.
21/02/2014 10:26Posted by Aewila
The Forsaken have helped the Blood Elves more then any race in the Horde


And only the Orcs have abused the BElfs more. And even that is arguable.

The BElfs and the Forsaken are not friends. They are allies. Of convenience. Nothing more.

If the Forsaken would take a step further with their plan of conquering more land using blight and so on,would the Elves repay them in kindness because they got help in Ghostlands or repay them in blood?
Lor'themar argues with Sylvanas a bit in Siege of Orgrimmar,its just for the show or hints to something greater in the future ?


Its not for show. He REALLY doesn't like her. They were suspicious of the Forsaken in TBC but needed the help. But things really went downhill when Sylvanas forced him to send troops and supplies - supplies the BElfs needed to rebuild and hold their lands - to Northrend so she could get her revenge.

I would not even guarantee their stepping in to help Sylvanas should anything occur during the containment (if it goes ahead).

EJL
I still think the excuse that the Blood Elves wouldn't leave the Horde because then the Forsaken would attack them and wipe them out is absolute nonsense.

You see that big group of specialised undead killers that sit happily cleansing land between Quel'thalas and Forsaken territories? Yeah. I don't think they'd stand by if the Forsaken decided they wanted to recreate Arthas's march on Silvermoon.

And that's not even factoring in the Alliance going. "Hey the Forsaken just sent a good deal of their forces to try and wipe out the Blood Elves. Let's help them by using our astonishing naval and aerial superiority to transport troops to Quel'thalas AND ram our armies up the Forsaken's rear all across southern Lordaeron at the same time!"
As stated above - the Forsaken and the Blood Elves aren't friends, but allies of convenience.
I don't think the Blood Elves would help the Forsaken in conquering lands, as it wouldn't give them anything in return.

Sylvanas and Lor'themar have been/is arguing and it will probaly lead to some kind of drama (probaly shown in War Crimes), but I don't think it will lead to them being enemies. If the Alliance would launch a campaign against the Forsaken, the Blood Elves would probaly hesitate to help but would send help in the end.

21/02/2014 10:26Posted by Aewila
The forsaken are looked down upon by many Horde races and are not really loved or trusted ,kinda the same for the Blood elves.

The Blood Elves aren't looked down upon anymore - that's because them leaving the Horde has been kept a secret.
Completely unrelated question here! Have you ever made a forum post that doesn't involve blood elves?
And I think that the forsaken will go on doing what they do. Blood elves will take offense. But nothing will really happen.
21/02/2014 20:28Posted by Thunderbraid
I still think the excuse that the Blood Elves wouldn't leave the Horde because then the Forsaken would attack them and wipe them out is absolute nonsense.

You see that big group of specialised undead killers that sit happily cleansing land between Quel'thalas and Forsaken territories? Yeah. I don't think they'd stand by if the Forsaken decided they wanted to recreate Arthas's march on Silvermoon.

And that's not even factoring in the Alliance going. "Hey the Forsaken just sent a good deal of their forces to try and wipe out the Blood Elves. Let's help them by using our astonishing naval and aerial superiority to transport troops to Quel'thalas AND ram our armies up the Forsaken's rear all across southern Lordaeron at the same time!"


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21/02/2014 20:28Posted by Thunderbraid
Yeah. I don't think they'd stand by if the Forsaken decided they wanted to recreate Arthas's march on Silvermoon.


They stood for all the other bull!@#$ the Forsaken have been pulling over the past decade, what makes this any different?
21/02/2014 22:02Posted by Thórgas
Completely unrelated question here! Have you ever made a forum post that doesn't involve blood elves?


This is the first time I've seen this poster on the forums, so I guees he/she hasn't..?

Unless you thought it was Elsya aswell - then the answer would probaly be the same
21/02/2014 18:55Posted by Pendragons
I partly agree with you, Elysa.

However, I don't think the Sin'dorei are closer to the western Horde then they are to the Forsaken, I think they're moving more and more towards somesort of neutrality(but that can't, sadly, be truely shown ingame).


I mainly said that because it seems Lor'themar was the first to bow down to Warchief Vol'Jin in the cinematic of SoO, and in his text he also says he quite trusts Vol'Jin and the direction toward which he will lead the Horde.

Lor'themar also said "Assuming Vol'Jin manages to keep Sylvanas under control" or something like that.

But i really didn't want to mean that the Blood Elves actually like the Western Horde; rather than they trust Orcs and Trolls more than Forsaken for now.
21/02/2014 22:47Posted by Laceon
This is the first time I've seen this poster on the forums, so I guees he/she hasn't..?

Unless you thought it was Elsya aswell - then the answer would probaly be the same
My mistake. Sorry.
This is the first time I've seen this poster on the forums, so I guees he/she hasn't..?

Unless you thought it was Elsya aswell - then the answer would probaly be the same
My mistake. Sorry.


Me and OP aren't twins! :O
The blackmail-issue probably brought a strain on their relationship, but it's not common knowledge. Plus, Forsaken have been helping the Blood-Elves for years. Their leaders might dislike each others, but i guess that the blood-elves in general who know about the forsaken-support in ghostlands are pretty ok with the Forsaken.

I also think that at least the Farstriders are NOW pretty ok with the Darkspear, after they've helped them against the Amani and stuff.
I still have this little dream that they'll make Zul'aman a darkspear-bloodelf-city (since the siam-quashi still lurk around there, seeing as they weren't involved in the rebellion), making trolls quasi-citizens of belf-lands and bringing belfs and the horde even closer together.
22/02/2014 01:23Posted by Elsya
Me and OP aren't twins! :O


Your mogs are certainly similar (well, the one she was wearing when she posted the thing).
21/02/2014 22:22Posted by Sozu
21/02/2014 20:28Posted by Thunderbraid
Yeah. I don't think they'd stand by if the Forsaken decided they wanted to recreate Arthas's march on Silvermoon.


They stood for all the other bull!@#$ the Forsaken have been pulling over the past decade, what makes this any different?


I guess it is easy to say that a march on a playable race's capital is a rather huge lore thing, and not just a minor thing like warring against the opposite faction in a village that were under scourge banner anyway.

I also have a strange feeling that it is somewhat different to fight over land already under control by the scourge, and partially abandoned, to actually make a huge scale scourge-like invasion.

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